Dutch Speeding Ticket(s)
Discussion
Received two from a recent trip to the Netherlands, sent to my old address (even though that was incorrect) and re-directed to my new address.
I've been looking into it and wanted to check a few things - firstly I wanted to see the photographic evidence but the online form you need to fill out for this asks for two pieces of information I can't find on the forms I've been sent. It asks for the Photo Film Number and the Detection Unit. Any suggestion?
On both tickets there is a "measured speed" and a "corrected speed", how come?
FWIW I was measured at 93kmh in a 70 (corrected 90) and 125kmh in a 100 (corrected 121)
I kept with the prevailing traffic speed, and didn't knowingly excessively exceed the limits, I also didn't see any cameras or warnings.
The other frustrating thing is you have to pay by bank transfer rather than pay online with a credit card. €186 and €187 for the two - also can't understand the €1 difference between the two fines.
I've been looking into it and wanted to check a few things - firstly I wanted to see the photographic evidence but the online form you need to fill out for this asks for two pieces of information I can't find on the forms I've been sent. It asks for the Photo Film Number and the Detection Unit. Any suggestion?
On both tickets there is a "measured speed" and a "corrected speed", how come?
FWIW I was measured at 93kmh in a 70 (corrected 90) and 125kmh in a 100 (corrected 121)
I kept with the prevailing traffic speed, and didn't knowingly excessively exceed the limits, I also didn't see any cameras or warnings.
The other frustrating thing is you have to pay by bank transfer rather than pay online with a credit card. €186 and €187 for the two - also can't understand the €1 difference between the two fines.
corrected: they give you the benefit of the doubt of any inaccuracy, and adjust it down by a percentage
they don't care who was driving, reg'd keeper is reponsible for paying
If you don't pay they will pull you out of passport control at the airport or ferry terminal if you ever go back
NL is strict as hell on speeding fines, I doubt you'll get out of it
edit: a IBAN transfer should be fairly painless and I believe it should be free
if you don't pay, they'll send two more requests, going up at least 50% each time
so imagine you are flying out of Schiphol next time and you get pulled out of the line to pay €1000 in cash and/or miss your flight
they don't care who was driving, reg'd keeper is reponsible for paying
If you don't pay they will pull you out of passport control at the airport or ferry terminal if you ever go back
NL is strict as hell on speeding fines, I doubt you'll get out of it
edit: a IBAN transfer should be fairly painless and I believe it should be free
if you don't pay, they'll send two more requests, going up at least 50% each time
so imagine you are flying out of Schiphol next time and you get pulled out of the line to pay €1000 in cash and/or miss your flight
Edited by Hugo a Gogo on Wednesday 20th July 10:39
Carlson W6 said:
How did they get your address?
Where you on a hire car?
That's a good point. I didn't think there was an agreement between UK and NL/DE/BE etc on traffic offenses? I have set off speed cameras and had several parking tickets under the wipers in Germany for example, never heard anything eback (although I change my car frequently). Where you on a hire car?
The DVLA do seem to hand out details willy nilly though, so it wouldn't surprise me.
Perhaps it's time to slow down...
Yeah, the dutch don't like speeding. They have a habit of hiding speed cameras along the roads in bushes and trees and painting them green :-)
I haven't had anything come back from my trips through Europe, in hire cars or my own. Surprised really as I wasn't exactly respecting the speed limits outside of urban areas.
I haven't had anything come back from my trips through Europe, in hire cars or my own. Surprised really as I wasn't exactly respecting the speed limits outside of urban areas.
Hackney said:
Yes, it was a hire car. Booked while at the old address and collected 3 days after moving in to the new place so I'd delayed sending off my driving licence.
Hire place took a copy so presumably it came from them.
We had mail forwarding so it got redirected to the new address.
This is good news.Hire place took a copy so presumably it came from them.
We had mail forwarding so it got redirected to the new address.
I watch this forum with interest on this subject as I've been flashed a number of times in France in my UK reg'd vehicle and never heard anything more.
I saw some reports on the web that the UK was going to enter into a reciprocal agreement where different
countries would share their registration number/address details starting this year but I'm rather hoping that
Brexit may have put the brakes on that.
There has to be some benefit to Brexit? How can you demand money from people that are neither your citizens nor under your governance, and all whilst not even caring if they were actually driving and deserving of your punishment for an alleged transgression? They like bikes there - get on it 
Also, why should the DVLA share details with another countries law enforcement if it cannot be verified that they follow a certain standard, or at least the same standard applied in the UK... similar equipment standards, calibration, chain of custody, right to appeal, standards of proof....
I can see why they want to do it, but there are some shady practices in some EU countries from the local plod. As described on this very forum regarding some of the antics in France.
I can see why they want to do it, but there are some shady practices in some EU countries from the local plod. As described on this very forum regarding some of the antics in France.
spookly said:
I can see why they want to do it, but there are some shady practices in some EU countries from the local plod. As described on this very forum regarding some of the antics in France.
I saw that one too pocketing the 300 Euro odd between the receipt amount and the cash taken roadside
Ken Figenus said:
There has to be some benefit to Brexit? How can you demand money from people that are neither your citizens nor under your governance, and all whilst not even caring if they were actually driving and deserving of your punishment for an alleged transgression? They like bikes there - get on it
Man Overboard ! Let it hereby be be known , by virtue of the this NOTICE
Ken of the family Figenus I do not consent to listening to your fantasy crap about citizenship or governance... the fact you are in the country means you are subject to their laws.
do you UnderStand ?
Ken Figenus said:
There has to be some benefit to Brexit? How can you demand money from people that are neither your citizens nor under your governance, and all whilst not even caring if they were actually driving and deserving of your punishment for an alleged transgression? They like bikes there - get on it
ha, I trust you are in favour of applying this attitude to foreign registered vehicles in the UK?Hugo a Gogo said:
Ken Figenus said:
There has to be some benefit to Brexit? How can you demand money from people that are neither your citizens nor under your governance, and all whilst not even caring if they were actually driving and deserving of your punishment for an alleged transgression? They like bikes there - get on it
ha, I trust you are in favour of applying this attitude to foreign registered vehicles in the UK?I think Ken of the family Figenus is either a freewibbler or really really didn't think through what he said ...
mph1977 said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
Ken Figenus said:
There has to be some benefit to Brexit? How can you demand money from people that are neither your citizens nor under your governance, and all whilst not even caring if they were actually driving and deserving of your punishment for an alleged transgression? They like bikes there - get on it
ha, I trust you are in favour of applying this attitude to foreign registered vehicles in the UK?I think Ken of the family Figenus is either a freewibbler or really really didn't think through what he said ...
When i lived in Holland, I had several rental cars through our company car scheme over a 9 month period whilst I was waiting for a new company car to be built/delivered.
A couple of years later I relocated to the Middle East for 12 months, I returned back to Holland twice in that time without any issue.
The following year i relocated to the UK, then a few months later returned to Holland again for a weekend. On the way back to the UK, I was pulled at Customs, taken into a room and told I had not paid a fine. I asked for the car registration (kenteken plaat) and didn't recognize it at all.
It was only when they gave me more details and mentioned the type of car (Renault Laguna) and that the offence was commited in the Hague - I realised it was a rental car and the offence occured when i was down at the Nigerian Embassy for a visa and that the fine had never been passed on to me by the rental company / our company HR.
I had to pay +- 3x the original fine value, it was either that or miss my flight.
A couple of years later I relocated to the Middle East for 12 months, I returned back to Holland twice in that time without any issue.
The following year i relocated to the UK, then a few months later returned to Holland again for a weekend. On the way back to the UK, I was pulled at Customs, taken into a room and told I had not paid a fine. I asked for the car registration (kenteken plaat) and didn't recognize it at all.
It was only when they gave me more details and mentioned the type of car (Renault Laguna) and that the offence was commited in the Hague - I realised it was a rental car and the offence occured when i was down at the Nigerian Embassy for a visa and that the fine had never been passed on to me by the rental company / our company HR.
I had to pay +- 3x the original fine value, it was either that or miss my flight.
You bunch of compliant enforcers! None of you subjects are the Dominic Little type are you
Actually, its all fair points
So what does the UK actually do if, say, a Latvian is GATSO'd? Do we get the big guns out, airmail invoices and flag up a 36 in a 30 insurgent to Border Patrol as well?
Actually, its all fair points
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