Going to court - interim hearing - prep?

Going to court - interim hearing - prep?

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Willhire89

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1,328 posts

205 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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I have court date next month for an interim hearing.

I had a new cylinder head built by a marques specialist for my race car which seized an exhaust valve on its first run on the rolling road and wrecked my engine.

The head was stripped and the cause of the failure isolated to an engineering fault.

I have three reports - from the motorsport prepper who put the head on and was on the rollers, another from a highly respected engine builder and lastly one from a metallurgist.

Who needs to go to the interim hearing (just me?) and what will I need to prepare for?

I now find that the ‘marque specialist’ are well versed in this process….

davepoth

29,395 posts

199 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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If they're quite well versed in the process expect them to arrive with a lawyer - They'll try and stop it dead there and then.

anonymous-user

54 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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What value is the claim/complications involved- is it small claims (has it been allocated to a track yet)?

Willhire89

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1,328 posts

205 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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£3500

Not allocated to a track - arbitration declined

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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Willhire89 said:
arbitration declined
By them or you?

Willhire89

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205 months

Sunday 24th July 2016
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Me ....No idea if they declined too

I had the case transferred to my court which happens to be a 400 mike round trip for them

Jasandjules

69,883 posts

229 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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What is the purpose of the interim hearing? What has it been listed for? 3.5k is a small claim so "less formal".

Willhire89

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205 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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The preliminary hearing is to consider:

(i) whether particulars of the claim should be amended (copy on court file incomplete)
(ii) whether the defendant is an individual/partnership or limited company
(iii) what expert evidence, if any, is required
(iv) whether the case is suitable for allocation to the small claims track or should be allocated to another track.

Spoke by email to my solicitor this morning who responded:

In virtually all such cases, no legal fees are recoverable win or lose. There's no need for representation at either interim or final hearing. Good luck!

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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IANAL. In the small claims your recoverable costs are quite limited. I think maximum recoverable per expert is £750, for example. Is there going to be a concern that if the case goes to trial, it would take more than one day (in which case, isn't it likely to go to multi track?).

Nezquick

1,461 posts

126 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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You should go along alone, or with your solicitor if you have one.

Experts are not normally allowed in Small Claims, but there are exceptions to that when you have particularly technical issues, such as in this case I suspect.

I would have thought the Court will try and steer both parties down the "joint expert" route to save costs; i.e. you both have to use the same expert who will (supposedly) provide an impartial report to assist the Court. Try and avoid this at all costs, particularly as you already have your own "experts" in place and who seem to have provided favourable evidence.

I warn you that failing to agree to arbitration or mediation may not look favourable to the Court. They like the parties to try and come to an amicable agreement rather than waste Court time and resources with hearings.

snorky782

1,115 posts

99 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Who is Claimant and who Defendant here? It's not clear, but the fact you've transferred the case to your court suggests you're Defendant

Willhire89

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205 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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There's no negotiating with this company - they have my money and after they requested to inspect the cylinder head they then said (in writing) that they will not release it unless I agree to drop any case against them.

On top of the cost of the head there's also the cost of sorting out the resulting piston/valve interface issue.

I have nothing to lose by claiming since I currently have nothing.

Willhire89

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1,328 posts

205 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Incidentally - there's nothing for an impartial expert to review except pictures we took before I returned it as the original head is now 'lost'

7db

6,058 posts

230 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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snorky782 said:
Who is Claimant and who Defendant here? It's not clear, but the fact you've transferred the case to your court suggests you're Defendant
Where C is a person and D is a company, typically it's C's home court.

snorky782

1,115 posts

99 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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7db said:
snorky782 said:
Who is Claimant and who Defendant here? It's not clear, but the fact you've transferred the case to your court suggests you're Defendant
Where C is a person and D is a company, typically it's C's home court.
Thanks, I was confused by him having to transfer it to his home court, rather than just start proceedings there, but I'm not overly versed in that side of things so happy to be corrected.

Jasandjules

69,883 posts

229 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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Willhire89 said:
The preliminary hearing is to consider:

(i) whether particulars of the claim should be amended (copy on court file incomplete)
(ii) whether the defendant is an individual/partnership or limited company
(iii) what expert evidence, if any, is required
(iv) whether the case is suitable for allocation to the small claims track or should be allocated to another track.

Spoke by email to my solicitor this morning who responded:

In virtually all such cases, no legal fees are recoverable win or lose. There's no need for representation at either interim or final hearing. Good luck!
Ok so you want to take along spare copies of the claim form. Check it was all completed correctly.

Do you know if the person you are suing is a LTD company?

You know what expert evidence you want.....

If a simple(ish) case sub 15k value then you would want it small claims IMHO. That means it is also less formal and fewer costs risks..

Willhire89

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1,328 posts

205 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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They trade and send letters as XXXX Motorsport and I can find no details of any Limited Company in that person's name.

I have three reports - one from a metallurgist about stainless steel and it's interaction with cast iron and a rolling contact fatigue failures, another from an engine builder who states they should not have used std valve guides in a race head or at those tolerances with those valves and a report from my prepper who put it on and took it off.

This case mirrors one I found on the web they went through some years back - in that case the owners were cited as two women of the same surname, they would not allow expert reports, claimed the guy had done something wrong etc etc - that case they lost and it cost them £4805.95

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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Willhire89 said:
They trade and send letters as XXXX Motorsport and I can find no details of any Limited Company in that person's name.
So it sounds like you're claiming off a sole trader, an individual whose personal finances are legally inseparable from his business activities.

Jasandjules

69,883 posts

229 months

Wednesday 27th July 2016
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Willhire89 said:
They trade and send letters as XXXX Motorsport and I can find no details of any Limited Company in that person's name.
Look on Companies House for the company. Also the letter head should state a registered address/company number etc if Ltd company.

If not, then as above, you are suing the owner personally.

Willhire89

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Wednesday 27th July 2016
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Jasandjules said:
Willhire89 said:
They trade and send letters as XXXX Motorsport and I can find no details of any Limited Company in that person's name.
Look on Companies House for the company. Also the letter head should state a registered address/company number etc if Ltd company.

If not, then as above, you are suing the owner personally.
Yep - nothing found (and no company numbers quoted) except an old directorship of the local social club. Same with the relatives.

On the claim I just put XXXX Motorsport as on their letters - I imagine that is what the judge wants to clear up.