Violence against women
Discussion
Ello.
I heard sweary chavvy shouting in the street today and poked my head out of the kids' window to see a domestic going on in the street. A man pushing a woman quite forcefully. He pushed her enough that she stumbled and was defending herself. But not hard enough to fall down for the times he pushed her. He stopped only when I shouted at him. No punching, no blood. They both walked off.
I logged an incident on 101. And e-mailed the video I had of the big guy shoving the small woman around.
What's most likely course of events here? I was thinking: she won't press charges. It's not assault. It's not even a crime so won't make the stats. And you can assume this is the sort of sad thing that happens in the UK all the time...
I heard sweary chavvy shouting in the street today and poked my head out of the kids' window to see a domestic going on in the street. A man pushing a woman quite forcefully. He pushed her enough that she stumbled and was defending herself. But not hard enough to fall down for the times he pushed her. He stopped only when I shouted at him. No punching, no blood. They both walked off.
I logged an incident on 101. And e-mailed the video I had of the big guy shoving the small woman around.
What's most likely course of events here? I was thinking: she won't press charges. It's not assault. It's not even a crime so won't make the stats. And you can assume this is the sort of sad thing that happens in the UK all the time...
Edited by beeej on Sunday 24th July 18:50
I've made a mistake of intervening between a rowing couple - both were pissed up. Bloke started getting aggressive and woman looked scared.
I marched over and offered to intervene and was about to give the bloke a straightener when the woman started attacking me with a beer can for threatening her boyfriend.
fk 'em both.
I marched over and offered to intervene and was about to give the bloke a straightener when the woman started attacking me with a beer can for threatening her boyfriend.
fk 'em both.
Bigends said:
OP is correct - if neither party confirms assault then theres no crime to record. Generally they can get sufficient detail to record the matter as a domestic incident for future reference though.
In Scotland it doesn't work like that. If there's cctv of the assault and the OPs statement, then the guy would be getting the jail, even if the female refused to make a complaint.
Terzo123 said:
Bigends said:
OP is correct - if neither party confirms assault then theres no crime to record. Generally they can get sufficient detail to record the matter as a domestic incident for future reference though.
In Scotland it doesn't work like that. If there's cctv of the assault and the OPs statement, then the guy would be getting the jail, even if the female refused to make a complaint.
Bigends said:
Terzo123 said:
Bigends said:
OP is correct - if neither party confirms assault then theres no crime to record. Generally they can get sufficient detail to record the matter as a domestic incident for future reference though.
In Scotland it doesn't work like that. If there's cctv of the assault and the OPs statement, then the guy would be getting the jail, even if the female refused to make a complaint.
98elise said:
Bigends said:
Terzo123 said:
Bigends said:
OP is correct - if neither party confirms assault then theres no crime to record. Generally they can get sufficient detail to record the matter as a domestic incident for future reference though.
In Scotland it doesn't work like that. If there's cctv of the assault and the OPs statement, then the guy would be getting the jail, even if the female refused to make a complaint.
Terzo123 said:
Bigends said:
Only recorded if theres an 'apparently reliable witness' whatever one of those may be - leaves things open to malicious third party complaints i'd have thought
Corroboration is required in Scotland, so a single malicious third party complaint wouldn't result in arrest.Edited by Bigends on Sunday 24th July 20:50
Terzo123 said:
Corroboration is required in Scotland, so a single malicious third party complaint wouldn't result in arrest.
It may well result in detention, which is the equivalent to arrest on suspicion in E&W, so that the alleged offender can be interviewed. What it shouldn't result in is someone being charged.A lack of corroboration shouldn't mean that an incident doesn't get recorded as a crime.
Cat
Cat said:
Terzo123 said:
Corroboration is required in Scotland, so a single malicious third party complaint wouldn't result in arrest.
It may well result in detention, which is the equivalent to arrest on suspicion in E&W, so that the alleged offender can be interviewed. What it shouldn't result in is someone being charged.A lack of corroboration shouldn't mean that an incident doesn't get recorded as a crime.
Cat
beeej said:
Ello.
I heard sweary chavvy shouting in the street today and poked my head out of the kids' window to see a domestic going on in the street. A man pushing a woman quite forcefully. He pushed her enough that she stumbled and was defending herself. But not hard enough to fall down for the times he pushed her. He stopped only when I shouted at him. No punching, no blood. They both walked off.
I logged an incident on 101. And e-mailed the video I had of the big guy shoving the small woman around.
What's most likely course of events here? I was thinking: she won't press charges. It's not assault. It's not even a crime so won't make the stats. And you can assume this is the sort of sad thing that happens in the UK all the time...
Next time phone 999 when it's happening. It was an assault. In fact it was battery. Assault doesn't even need contact to be made. The problem is, as above, the female quite possibly won't support any police action. Although around here, video footage and your statement would still see the guy arrested. As for charging...who knows with the CPS.I heard sweary chavvy shouting in the street today and poked my head out of the kids' window to see a domestic going on in the street. A man pushing a woman quite forcefully. He pushed her enough that she stumbled and was defending herself. But not hard enough to fall down for the times he pushed her. He stopped only when I shouted at him. No punching, no blood. They both walked off.
I logged an incident on 101. And e-mailed the video I had of the big guy shoving the small woman around.
What's most likely course of events here? I was thinking: she won't press charges. It's not assault. It's not even a crime so won't make the stats. And you can assume this is the sort of sad thing that happens in the UK all the time...
Edited by beeej on Sunday 24th July 18:50
beeej said:
Ello.
I heard sweary chavvy shouting in the street today and poked my head out of the kids' window to see a domestic going on in the street. A man pushing a woman quite forcefully. He pushed her enough that she stumbled and was defending herself. But not hard enough to fall down for the times he pushed her. He stopped only when I shouted at him. No punching, no blood. They both walked off.
I logged an incident on 101. And e-mailed the video I had of the big guy shoving the small woman around.
What's most likely course of events here? I was thinking: she won't press charges. It's not assault. It's not even a crime so won't make the stats. And you can assume this is the sort of sad thing that happens in the UK all the time...
If your video shows evidence of an assault (which shoving around would be) then it would be recorded as an assault and investigated in the area I work in. If they were identified then the male would be questioned, almost certainly arrested even without a complaint as it is irrelevant in a domestic. What would happen after that would depend on interview.I heard sweary chavvy shouting in the street today and poked my head out of the kids' window to see a domestic going on in the street. A man pushing a woman quite forcefully. He pushed her enough that she stumbled and was defending herself. But not hard enough to fall down for the times he pushed her. He stopped only when I shouted at him. No punching, no blood. They both walked off.
I logged an incident on 101. And e-mailed the video I had of the big guy shoving the small woman around.
What's most likely course of events here? I was thinking: she won't press charges. It's not assault. It's not even a crime so won't make the stats. And you can assume this is the sort of sad thing that happens in the UK all the time...
Edited by beeej on Sunday 24th July 18:50
Bigends said:
Terzo123 said:
Bigends said:
OP is correct - if neither party confirms assault then theres no crime to record. Generally they can get sufficient detail to record the matter as a domestic incident for future reference though.
In Scotland it doesn't work like that. If there's cctv of the assault and the OPs statement, then the guy would be getting the jail, even if the female refused to make a complaint.
beeej said:
...the big guy shoving the small woman around...
You don't know anything about them so just stop it and/or report it and leave the judgement to someone who does that job. After some of the abuse I've seen women give men over the years (including regular physical assaults, use of weapons and numerous false accusations to friends, family or police) I wouldn't start with the assumption that it's always the man's fault. For all you know he could have put up with months or even years of provocation before finally losing it. Then there are plenty of couples who deserve each other...Would probably have kept my nose out of it.
Both adults and both old enough to know better, why should I put my safety in danger intervening in two knob ends domestic.
Selfish attitude on my part but i've seen people beaten to a pulp for getting involved in incidents that didn't concern them.
They got fk all thanks from anyone, especially the plod.
Both adults and both old enough to know better, why should I put my safety in danger intervening in two knob ends domestic.
Selfish attitude on my part but i've seen people beaten to a pulp for getting involved in incidents that didn't concern them.
They got fk all thanks from anyone, especially the plod.
beeej said:
Ello.
I heard sweary chavvy shouting in the street today and poked my head out of the kids' window to see a domestic going on in the street. A man pushing a woman quite forcefully. He pushed her enough that she stumbled and was defending herself. But not hard enough to fall down for the times he pushed her. He stopped only when I shouted at him. No punching, no blood. They both walked off.
I logged an incident on 101. And e-mailed the video I had of the big guy shoving the small woman around.
What's most likely course of events here? I was thinking: she won't press charges. It's not assault. It's not even a crime so won't make the stats. And you can assume this is the sort of sad thing that happens in the UK all the time...
Do you know who they are and/or where they live?I heard sweary chavvy shouting in the street today and poked my head out of the kids' window to see a domestic going on in the street. A man pushing a woman quite forcefully. He pushed her enough that she stumbled and was defending herself. But not hard enough to fall down for the times he pushed her. He stopped only when I shouted at him. No punching, no blood. They both walked off.
I logged an incident on 101. And e-mailed the video I had of the big guy shoving the small woman around.
What's most likely course of events here? I was thinking: she won't press charges. It's not assault. It's not even a crime so won't make the stats. And you can assume this is the sort of sad thing that happens in the UK all the time...
Edited by beeej on Sunday 24th July 18:50
If not, how are the police expected to trace the,?
BlueHave said:
Would probably have kept my nose out of it.
Both adults and both old enough to know better, why should I put my safety in danger intervening in two knob ends domestic.
Selfish attitude on my part but i've seen people beaten to a pulp for getting involved in incidents that didn't concern them.
They got fk all thanks from anyone, especially the plod.
Well fortunately a lot of people aren't like you. Both adults and both old enough to know better, why should I put my safety in danger intervening in two knob ends domestic.
Selfish attitude on my part but i've seen people beaten to a pulp for getting involved in incidents that didn't concern them.
They got fk all thanks from anyone, especially the plod.
cymtriks said:
beeej said:
...the big guy shoving the small woman around...
You don't know anything about them so just stop it and/or report it and leave the judgement to someone who does that job. After some of the abuse I've seen women give men over the years (including regular physical assaults, use of weapons and numerous false accusations to friends, family or police) I wouldn't start with the assumption that it's always the man's fault. For all you know he could have put up with months or even years of provocation before finally losing it. Then there are plenty of couples who deserve each other...Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff