Taking the law into your own hands

Taking the law into your own hands

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AH33

2,066 posts

135 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Gavin0478 said:
Where were the parents of the kids so young traveling on the train alone!!!
Thats what I was thinking!

Biker 1

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7,729 posts

119 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Interesting reactions here. It is a sad sign of the times - little respect for stuff by oiks/yoof. Resorting to violence by old bloke. Where did it all go so wrong?

blueg33

35,847 posts

224 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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AH33 said:
Gavin0478 said:
Where were the parents of the kids so young traveling on the train alone!!!
Thats what I was thinking!
Pub
Bookies
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Seriously though, its the summer holidays, most parents have to work and maybe couldn't get time off. Maybe the kids escaped from the care of an older sibling.

There is no law that stipulates the age at which kids can be left at home alone

Toltec

7,159 posts

223 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Where is the child catcher when you need him?


PAULJ5555

3,554 posts

176 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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blueg33 said:
Pub
Bookies
Dole office

Seriously though, its the summer holidays, most parents have to work and maybe couldn't get time off. Maybe the kids escaped from the care of an older sibling.

There is no law that stipulates the age at which kids can be left at home alone
Yes.

That’s not to say that there are no laws on leaving children home alone. Under the Children and Young Persons (England and Wales) Act 1933, the Children and Young Persons (Scotland) Act 1937 and the Children and Young Persons (Northern Ireland) Act 1968, parents and carers can be prosecuted for neglect. This means that they can be fined or sent to prison if they are judged to have placed a child at risk of harm by leaving them at home alone, regardless of where in the UK the child lives.

I would say most of them are at risk, with knives and bleach around the house or even the internet. God knows who they could invite over with no parents about. It can happen and does to even the most sensible kids.

Digby

8,237 posts

246 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
A grown adult decides that the appropriate response to a random sprog being a little turd is to physically assault them?
And people are defending this...?
Good on him.

There are too many disrespectful little s running around these days. The reason they are is because the majority of the population don't do anything about it.

I assume your option would be some serious finger waving and to then let them walk away to do exactly the same again and again and again and again and....

Let's say they had their feet on the chair, it was the last chair remaining and a relation of yours wanted to sit down. Your Daughter, Mother, Father..

Then let's say they abused that relation when they asked for the seat. You would toddle off to get the guard, would you?

What if there was no guard? Just remain standing for the entire journey?

I, unlike yourself, wonder how anyone can defend such children.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Digby said:
I, unlike yourself, wonder how anyone can defend such children.
Nobody is.

Two wrongs never made a right, and never will do.

In this instance, one of the wrongs is FAR more serious than the other.

Digby

8,237 posts

246 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
Digby said:
I, unlike yourself, wonder how anyone can defend such children.
Nobody is.

Two wrongs never made a right, and never will do.

In this instance, one of the wrongs is FAR more serious than the other.
So in the example I gave above, you would go hunting for a guard or simply stand for the entire journey?

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

126 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Digby said:
So in the example I gave above, you would go hunting for a guard or simply stand for the entire journey?


Yeh, that's an absolutely cram-full train. Not a single empty seat on it.

Digby

8,237 posts

246 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
Digby said:
So in the example I gave above, you would go hunting for a guard or simply stand for the entire journey?


Yeh, that's an absolutely cram-full train. Not a single empty seat on it.
So what would you do in the example I gave?


Ilovejapcrap

3,281 posts

112 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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another factor is age.

If I get to say 70 I'll probs act and do what I want. It's al kind of irrelevant by that stage

anonymous-user

54 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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Just shoot them in the face. They won't do it again.

Whilst two wrongs do not make a right, kids taking the piss from the get go have to accept the consequences of their actions. In the good old days a word in the parents ear would result in some form of punishment, not today so we end up with situations like this.

Sad.

InitialDave

11,889 posts

119 months

Monday 25th July 2016
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garyhun said:
Whilst two wrongs do not make a right, kids taking the piss from the get go have to accept the consequences of their actions. In the good old days a word in the parents ear would result in some form of punishment, not today so we end up with situations like this.

Sad.
The "you can't do anything about it" attitude of kids/young people toward adults has been around for a very long time, and it's not going to go away anytime soon because, well, it's completely correct.

I don't want little oiks putting their feet up on public transport. I would prefer it if such behaviour could be corrected with a "Come on lads, give it a rest" approach. That seems quite unlikely, though.

Nor do I particularly want people using physical violence against youths (or anyone else, really) except as a necessary last resort (only a fantasist thinks it's a "never ever" proposition), but at the same time, it seems to me that an important lesson in life is that getting into a confrontation with someone bigger than you, stronger than you, and of an unknown disposition can rapidly go very badly for you. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

The old man in question probably shouldn't have done what he did, but to be honest, I can't say it particularly upsets me. My preferred resolution would be for him to be stopped by someone who reminds him of what the consequences could be for him, and the kids given a "now, what dd we learn today?" dressing down.


V8 Fettler

7,019 posts

132 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Does this sort of thing happen in the first class compartments?

blueg33

35,847 posts

224 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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V8 Fettler said:
Does this sort of thing happen in the first class compartments?
No.

Except when someone is sitting in a reserved seat. Some get very arsey when asked to move.

cmaguire

3,589 posts

109 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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blueg33 said:
No.

Except when someone is sitting in a reserved seat. Some get very arsey when asked to move.
Usually somebody that shouldn't be in the First Class in the first place, and has a ticket for cattle.
Wherever you look in life, it is predominately the thickos causing all the hassle.

Biker 1

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7,729 posts

119 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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cmaguire said:
Wherever you look in life, it is predominately the thickos causing all the hassle.
This....
All the tt chavvy morons, like the little sts who ride up & down my road on crappy 125s with straight through exhausts in the middle of the night, & the dear little oiks who refuse to put their used fish & chip wrappers in the bin adjacent to the bench they were sitting on & just drop in on the ground. furiousfurious The arse wipes who think its OK to smoke weed in the kiddies playground. Is it just me? Am I getting old & grumpy?

tr7v8

7,192 posts

228 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Biker 1 said:
cmaguire said:
Wherever you look in life, it is predominately the thickos causing all the hassle.
This....
All the tt chavvy morons, like the little sts who ride up & down my road on crappy 125s with straight through exhausts in the middle of the night, & the dear little oiks who refuse to put their used fish & chip wrappers in the bin adjacent to the bench they were sitting on & just drop in on the ground. furiousfurious The arse wipes who think its OK to smoke weed in the kiddies playground. Is it just me? Am I getting old & grumpy?
possibly but I feel the same. A lot of the time I see kids with feet on seats & parents sitting watching, is this just the kids or their upbringing.

esxste

3,682 posts

106 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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Something very wrong with someone who resorts to violence to resolve their frustrations.




jesta1865

3,448 posts

209 months

Tuesday 26th July 2016
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tr7v8 said:
Biker 1 said:
cmaguire said:
Wherever you look in life, it is predominately the thickos causing all the hassle.
This....
All the tt chavvy morons, like the little sts who ride up & down my road on crappy 125s with straight through exhausts in the middle of the night, & the dear little oiks who refuse to put their used fish & chip wrappers in the bin adjacent to the bench they were sitting on & just drop in on the ground. furiousfurious The arse wipes who think its OK to smoke weed in the kiddies playground. Is it just me? Am I getting old & grumpy?
possibly but I feel the same. A lot of the time I see kids with feet on seats & parents sitting watching, is this just the kids or their upbringing.
sat in a group of 6 seats the other day, with parents and their 2 kids, both the kids had their feet on the seats and the parents said nothing.

they all got off at upminster, was especially charming as one was at least 17 / 18 as they talked about her taking her driving test, and the other girl was older still. all sat under a sign on the wall of the carriage asking you not to put your feet on the seats.