Taking the law into your own hands
Discussion
Digby said:
egor110 said:
Quite obviously your not in any sort of uniformed service if you think some gobby toe rag is your green card to get punchy.
Would you have reported this guy if he had been your Father?The facts are the kids were gobby s
t bags but the adult punched one of them in the ribs and got him in a arm lock.You could stand in front of me calling me and my family every name under the sun , if i lamp you one I'm at fault , at the point you try and hit me I'm now allowed to use reasonable force to defend myself .
The fact is the old guy wasn't defending himself as nobody was actually attacking him .
Get all emotional as much as you like but the facts of law are clear and he's come a cropper.
Digby said:
egor110 said:
What difference does it make if i would or wouldn't ?
So, would you?He assaulted a child ( a gobby s
t of a child granted) but he wasn't acting in self defence therefore he was the attacker.roofer said:
vonhosen said:
The law is powerless against anyone who is doing nothing illegal, child or not (& whether you find them objectionable or not).
You are to do what I said, act within the law.
Which proves, on some occasions, " The law is an ass" You are to do what I said, act within the law.
The law is not responsible for what is legal, only what is illegal.
The laws around assault/battery are reasonable.
Digby said:
vonhosen said:
No it doesn't.
The law is not responsible for what is legal, only what is illegal.
The laws around assault/battery are reasonable.
..and open to interpretation, especially if going down the citizens arrest / likely or actuall breach of the peace route.The law is not responsible for what is legal, only what is illegal.
The laws around assault/battery are reasonable.
egor110 said:
You could stand in front of me calling me and my family every name under the sun , if i lamp you one I'm at fault , at the point you try and hit me I'm now allowed to use reasonable force to defend myself .
And if this happened and your wife and children were hiding behind you, crying and trembling and someone dragged the abuser away, you would report them and defend the abuser?Funny old world.
egor110 said:
You could stand in front of me calling me and my family every name under the sun , if i lamp you one I'm at fault
Legally, yes. But IMHO anyone who has a moral problem with it has a slightly odd persepctive on life.No, I don't want people randomly running around slapping kids about, but if kids are going to act like little s
ts because they think they're untouchable, I'm not inclined to get overly upset about someone demonstrating that they very much are.vonhosen said:
WinstonWolf said:
vonhosen said:
jaf01uk said:
La Liga said:
Love the employment link due to enforcing the law against adults assaulting kids.
Evidently not obvious enough for someone people whom support what the chap did.
Yet (same) people yesterday were saying that a bloke should have intervened and prevented a guy pushing his other half because it was the responsible thing to do, so where do you draw the line? These little scrotes owners obviously think they are old enough to run riot on a train on their own but not ok for them to be chastised for it!? I echo the fact that society is broken!! remkingston said:
vonhosen said:
It's OK for you to act within the law in dealing with matters yourself, it's not OK for you to act however you like outside it.
If you are going to act you have to act within the law.
You are to do what I said, act within the law.
In my day a clip around the ear worked, if the child played up the adults closed ranks on the child until they behaved. It worked.
So what is the solution these days if the law cannot help?
WinstonWolf said:
The law is powerless to act against children who are breaking the law, what is the answer?
In my day a clip around the ear worked, if the child played up the adults closed ranks on the child until they behaved. It worked.
So what is the solution these days if the law cannot help?
The law can deal with children(or adults) breaking the law, it can't deal with children (or adults) you personally find objectionable who aren't breaking the law.In my day a clip around the ear worked, if the child played up the adults closed ranks on the child until they behaved. It worked.
So what is the solution these days if the law cannot help?
A citizen's powers to arrest are more limited than a constable's powers to do so, where offences are suspected/present.
Laying hands on people (use of force) is quite clearly & properly regulated. It can quite appropriately & properly be used, even with children, where the circumstances warrant it. A bit of defiance & back chat to an unknown adult by a child isn't on it's own sufficient to warrant it, anymore than a bit of defiance or back chat from an octogenarian to a twenty something is.
vonhosen said:
The law is powerless against anyone who is doing nothing illegal, child or not (& whether you find them objectionable or not).
You are to do what I said, act within the law.
Indeed. Low level antisocial behaviour is perfectly acceptable. So long as it's legal, do as you please.You are to do what I said, act within the law.
InitialDave said:
otolith said:
Indeed. Low level antisocial behaviour is perfectly acceptable. So long as it's legal, do as you please.
Just be prepared to get smacked for it if you do it to the wrong person.Being legally in the right won't fix a broken nose.
hole.egor110 said:
Why isn't it what? ok to throw your weight around because your bigger?
Why isn't it ok to throw their stuff on the floor if they are being ignorant twunts? I'm not bigger by any stretch but I have no issue challenging someone being a cock when not necessary, the world would be a better place if people showed a little more consideration for one another.
And as for sitting on someone I may be done for manslaughter unless I lose a little weight
vonhosen said:
WinstonWolf said:
The law is powerless to act against children who are breaking the law, what is the answer?
In my day a clip around the ear worked, if the child played up the adults closed ranks on the child until they behaved. It worked.
So what is the solution these days if the law cannot help?
The law can deal with children(or adults) breaking the law, it can't deal with children (or adults) you personally find objectionable who aren't breaking the law.In my day a clip around the ear worked, if the child played up the adults closed ranks on the child until they behaved. It worked.
So what is the solution these days if the law cannot help?
A citizen's powers to arrest are more limited than a constable's powers to do so, where offences are suspected/present.
Laying hands on people (use of force) is quite clearly & properly regulated. It can quite appropriately & properly be used, even with children, where the circumstances warrant it. A bit of defiance & back chat to an unknown adult by a child isn't on it's own sufficient to warrant it, anymore than a bit of defiance or back chat from an octogenarian to a twenty something is.
What can the law do about a seven year old swearing and using behaviour and language likely to intimidate or cause distress?
Gavin0478 said:
Where were the parents of the kids so young traveling on the train alone!!!
Really??Plenty of kids use trains to get to school, my commute is packed with them! You expect them to be accompanied at all times?
It's precisely these freedoms and responsibilities that kids are lacking theses days - I put myself on a plane at 12 years old and was happily catching trains far younger than that...
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