Taking the law into your own hands
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egor110 said:
The kids were bang out order but you see adults refusing to move briefcases/coats off spare seats does this mean if your bigger it's ok to just throw there stuff on the floor to make the seat available?
Why isn't it ? And the answer is yes, option 2 would be to sit on their knee/lap 
Digby said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Digby said:
So in the example I gave above, you would go hunting for a guard or simply stand for the entire journey?
Yeh, that's an absolutely cram-full train. Not a single empty seat on it.
I'm guessing the 'punishment' would be less strong than if you physically restrain/stop them. Plus half a dozen young teens is going to overpower most of us on our own, you hear about stabbing someone and homeowners dying far too often in these situations.
La Liga said:
And stopped the abuse" conveniently skips over the assaulting a child part as you make up a fictional scenario to make you 'right'.
Let's just remind ourselves you refer to a poke in the ribs and an arm lock. Not something I would do tbf although hardly the crime of the century and certainly not "assault" in my eyes. Let's be honest though the way the laws of the land are written virtually anyone at any time could be convicted of "assault" given it "can include anything from pushing past someone to punching and kicking them".TX.
Terminator X said:
La Liga said:
And stopped the abuse" conveniently skips over the assaulting a child part as you make up a fictional scenario to make you 'right'.
Let's just remind ourselves you refer to a poke in the ribs and an arm lock. Not something I would do tbf although hardly the crime of the century and certainly not "assault" in my eyes. Let's be honest though the way the laws of the land are written virtually anyone at any time could be convicted of "assault" given it "can include anything from pushing past someone to punching and kicking them".TX.
this is also why there are a number of differing charges which can be laid depending on the severity of the assault and /or battery in question , from common assault through to attempted murder via, ABH, wounding, GBH, etc etc
I once had a reserved seat on a train but the reservation ticket was missing. Some bloke had his bag in my seat, and refused to move it because the seat wasn't reserved.
The train was packed and people were sat on the floor, so I asked him, "regardless of whether the seat is reserved, do you think your bag should have a seat and I should sit on the floor?"
He insisted that yes, it should, because the seat wasn't reserved.
Words were exchanged and he eventually moved his bag. Then I had to sit next to him for about 2 hours. It was a fun journey.
Anyway the point is, a
hole behaviour isn't exclusive to young kids, some people just become terrible on a train. No need to get physical about it though.
The train was packed and people were sat on the floor, so I asked him, "regardless of whether the seat is reserved, do you think your bag should have a seat and I should sit on the floor?"
He insisted that yes, it should, because the seat wasn't reserved.
Words were exchanged and he eventually moved his bag. Then I had to sit next to him for about 2 hours. It was a fun journey.
Anyway the point is, a
hole behaviour isn't exclusive to young kids, some people just become terrible on a train. No need to get physical about it though.TooMany2cvs said:
Terminator X said:
Let's just remind ourselves you refer to a poke in the ribs
The source article specifically uses the word "punch" in reference to the ribs.TX.
Terminator X said:
La Liga said:
And stopped the abuse" conveniently skips over the assaulting a child part as you make up a fictional scenario to make you 'right'.
Let's just remind ourselves you refer to a poke in the ribs and an arm lock. Not something I would do tbf although hardly the crime of the century and certainly not "assault" in my eyes. Let's be honest though the way the laws of the land are written virtually anyone at any time could be convicted of "assault" given it "can include anything from pushing past someone to punching and kicking them".TX.
I don't see anyone saying it's 'crime of the century'. A low application of unlawful force is all good and well until something unexpected happens like the child has brittle bones, or he smashes his head into the table trying to escape.
It may be annoying we can't have selective, idealistic Victorian-esque 'respect' from children and they can't be 'cuffed' around the ear, but picking and choosing which parts of the perceived past we want in isolation isn't realistic.
Terminator X said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Terminator X said:
Let's just remind ourselves you refer to a poke in the ribs
The source article specifically uses the word "punch" in reference to the ribs.Telegraph said:
The three boys, believed to be between the ages of eight and 11, got on the train at Blackburn, and refused to put their feet down when asked by the man, according to one witness.
“The children had their feet on the seats at first. There were three boys, aged 8-11,” explained the 17-year-old student, who did not want to be named.
“The guy went over and asked them to take them down and they were being quite cocky. The guy, who was in his 70s, then threatened them with a 'clip around the ear'. He then sat back down.
“The children then put their feet back up and wouldn't take them down. The guy then went over and tried taking their feet down. Then all I saw was the man punched one of the children in the ribs and had hold of the child’s arm in the photo.
So that's an eyewitness quoted as saying "punched in the ribs".“The children had their feet on the seats at first. There were three boys, aged 8-11,” explained the 17-year-old student, who did not want to be named.
“The guy went over and asked them to take them down and they were being quite cocky. The guy, who was in his 70s, then threatened them with a 'clip around the ear'. He then sat back down.
“The children then put their feet back up and wouldn't take them down. The guy then went over and tried taking their feet down. Then all I saw was the man punched one of the children in the ribs and had hold of the child’s arm in the photo.
cmaguire said:
TooMany2cvs said:
So that's an eyewitness quoted as saying "punched in the ribs".
I doubt Mayweather would call it a punch. Or me for that matter. But neither of us were there, and a punch makes a much better story.It's perfectly OK to punch a 10yo, so long as it's not the sort of punch that a world boxing champion would be happy with.
You heard it here first.
speedyguy said:
egor110 said:
The kids were bang out order but you see adults refusing to move briefcases/coats off spare seats does this mean if your bigger it's ok to just throw there stuff on the floor to make the seat available?
Why isn't it ? And the answer is yes, option 2 would be to sit on their knee/lap I doubt very much you'd sit on there knee, it's one thing typing something quite different in reality.
Terminator X said:
La Liga said:
And stopped the abuse" conveniently skips over the assaulting a child part as you make up a fictional scenario to make you 'right'.
Let's just remind ourselves you refer to a poke in the ribs and an arm lock. Not something I would do tbf although hardly the crime of the century and certainly not "assault" in my eyes. Let's be honest though the way the laws of the land are written virtually anyone at any time could be convicted of "assault" given it "can include anything from pushing past someone to punching and kicking them".TX.
La Liga said:
It's easy to rose-tint the past and isolate aspects that you feel were better back then and / or absent today.
Nothing has changed for me. My moral compass is pointing exactly where I want it. It has also helped many people out of many situations; none of whom, unlike certain people here, decided to report me.Digby said:
La Liga said:
I guess the probability of being reported depends if you 'punch' (according to the report) 8-10 year olds or not.
It depends on how badly the kids were 'misbehaving' (according to the report) and who else was on the train.Your allowed to use reasonable force to defend yourself however the old guy wasn't defending himself he was the attacker.
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