Caught 106mph on M25 - What to Expect
Discussion
Vaud said:
zarjaz1991 said:
It's actually close to entrapment at times.
It isn't.Frequent blatant abuse of the variable limit, gantries set to confuse for no valid reason, with vague and obtuse excuses for lowering the limit and being inconsistent between gantries.
Interestingly, described recently by a traffic plod as "cash traps".
Sorry to hear of your situation OP. A stark reminder to all that whilst modern cars may easily and safely carry speed well into three figures, it is just never worth doing so in the UK; empty roads or not.
I got my first speeding offence last year and a pretty serious one. I was snapped doing 81mph in a 50mph. Situation was very different - a long straight section of Snake Pass in the Derbyshire countryside that was deserted at the time. Well except for the speed camera van. A stupid mistake on my behalf. The excess speed involved was a similar factor to yours however.
I prepared my own case and represented myself as I thought turning up with a solicitor might make me look like I was trying to wriggle off the hook. I put a detailed dossier of supporting evidence, including proof of substantial no claims on both my cars, my clean license, a weather report from the day of the offence supporting my claim that it was dry and some client testimonials (I had these before the offence anyway) that commented on my integrity and responsible nature (these weren't contrived - I already had them). I also bought evidence of the income I stated on the statement of means and offered to complete a new one as my income had increased between me filling in the original one and the court date.
I wrote a deferential testimony, pointing out the alleviating factors but accepting full responsibility for my actions. I arrived at court early and suited and booted and when I entered the courtroom was respectful and apologetic. I started to read my witness statement but the judge cut across me almost immediately and gave me a serious dressing down, telling me he knew the stretch of road well, but that he wasn't going to ban me. I got a fine and 5 points, which I though was more than fair under the circumstances.
Most of the people turning up to court were right scrotters, hardly anyone in a suit and many being either beligerant to the courtroom staff or pretending they didn't speak English! Don't underestimate the importance of dressing smartly for your day in court and showing proper respect.
I hope the above is of at least some use.
I posted on here and got the some good advice along with the inevitable hardliners suggesting I be burned at the stake...
I genuinely did learn from the experience and it has made me much more aware of speed limits. Previousy I always stuck to them in urban areas but was a bit liberal out on empty country roads. I now stick to any stated limits religously, even if it is on empty roads.
I hope you can learn from the experience too and turn this into a positive.
I got my first speeding offence last year and a pretty serious one. I was snapped doing 81mph in a 50mph. Situation was very different - a long straight section of Snake Pass in the Derbyshire countryside that was deserted at the time. Well except for the speed camera van. A stupid mistake on my behalf. The excess speed involved was a similar factor to yours however.
I prepared my own case and represented myself as I thought turning up with a solicitor might make me look like I was trying to wriggle off the hook. I put a detailed dossier of supporting evidence, including proof of substantial no claims on both my cars, my clean license, a weather report from the day of the offence supporting my claim that it was dry and some client testimonials (I had these before the offence anyway) that commented on my integrity and responsible nature (these weren't contrived - I already had them). I also bought evidence of the income I stated on the statement of means and offered to complete a new one as my income had increased between me filling in the original one and the court date.
I wrote a deferential testimony, pointing out the alleviating factors but accepting full responsibility for my actions. I arrived at court early and suited and booted and when I entered the courtroom was respectful and apologetic. I started to read my witness statement but the judge cut across me almost immediately and gave me a serious dressing down, telling me he knew the stretch of road well, but that he wasn't going to ban me. I got a fine and 5 points, which I though was more than fair under the circumstances.
Most of the people turning up to court were right scrotters, hardly anyone in a suit and many being either beligerant to the courtroom staff or pretending they didn't speak English! Don't underestimate the importance of dressing smartly for your day in court and showing proper respect.
I hope the above is of at least some use.
I posted on here and got the some good advice along with the inevitable hardliners suggesting I be burned at the stake...
I genuinely did learn from the experience and it has made me much more aware of speed limits. Previousy I always stuck to them in urban areas but was a bit liberal out on empty country roads. I now stick to any stated limits religously, even if it is on empty roads.
I hope you can learn from the experience too and turn this into a positive.
Edited by James Junior on Thursday 28th July 13:44
zarjaz1991 said:
Deliberately making multiple variations to the speed limit in quick succession for no reason is an attempt to get people to commit offences they wouldn't ordinarily commit. It is close to entrapment
Do you really believe the sole purpose of variable speed limits is to create a new revenue stream? Crackers!
James Junior said:
Sorry to hear of your situation OP. A stark reminder to all that whilst modern cars may easily and safely carry speed well into three figures, it is just never worth doing so in the UK; empty roads or not.
I got my first speeding offence last year and a pretty serious one. I was snapped doing 81mph in a 50mph. Situation was very different - a long straight section of Snake Pass in the Derbyshire countryside that was deserted at the time. Well except for the speed camera van. A stupid mistake on my behalf. The excess speed involved was a similar factor to yours however.
I prepared my own case and represented myself as I thought turning up with a solicitor might make me look like I was trying to wriggle off the hook. I put a detailed dossier of supporting evidence, including proof of substantial no claims on both my cars, my clean license, a weather report from the day of the offence supporting my claim that it was dry and some client testimonials (I had these before the offence anyway) that commented on my integrity and responsible nature (these weren't contrived - I already had them). I also bought evidence of the income I stated on the statement of means and offered to complete a new one as my income had increased between me filling in the original one and the court date.
I wrote a deferential testimony, pointing out the alleviating factors but accepting full responsibility for my actions. I arrived at court early and suited and booted and when I entered the courtroom was respectful and apologetic. I started to read my witness statement but the judge cut across me almost immediately and gave me a serious dressing down, telling me he knew the stretch of road well, but that he wasn't going to ban me. I got a fine and 5 points, which I though was more than fair under the circumstances.
Most of the people turning up to court were right scrotters, hardly anyone in a suit and many being either beligerant to the courtroom staff or pretending they didn't speak English! Don't underestimate the importance of dressing smartly for your day in court and showing proper respect.
I hope the above is of at least some use.
I posted on here and got the some good advice along with the inevitable hardliners suggesting I be burned at the stake...
I genuinely did learn from the experience and it has made me much more aware of speed limits. Previousy I always stuck to them in urban areas but was a bit liberal out on empty country roads. I now stick to any stated limits religously, even if it is on empty roads.
I hope you can learn from the experience too and turn this into a positive.
This is a great response, thanks for taking the time to replyI got my first speeding offence last year and a pretty serious one. I was snapped doing 81mph in a 50mph. Situation was very different - a long straight section of Snake Pass in the Derbyshire countryside that was deserted at the time. Well except for the speed camera van. A stupid mistake on my behalf. The excess speed involved was a similar factor to yours however.
I prepared my own case and represented myself as I thought turning up with a solicitor might make me look like I was trying to wriggle off the hook. I put a detailed dossier of supporting evidence, including proof of substantial no claims on both my cars, my clean license, a weather report from the day of the offence supporting my claim that it was dry and some client testimonials (I had these before the offence anyway) that commented on my integrity and responsible nature (these weren't contrived - I already had them). I also bought evidence of the income I stated on the statement of means and offered to complete a new one as my income had increased between me filling in the original one and the court date.
I wrote a deferential testimony, pointing out the alleviating factors but accepting full responsibility for my actions. I arrived at court early and suited and booted and when I entered the courtroom was respectful and apologetic. I started to read my witness statement but the judge cut across me almost immediately and gave me a serious dressing down, telling me he knew the stretch of road well, but that he wasn't going to ban me. I got a fine and 5 points, which I though was more than fair under the circumstances.
Most of the people turning up to court were right scrotters, hardly anyone in a suit and many being either beligerant to the courtroom staff or pretending they didn't speak English! Don't underestimate the importance of dressing smartly for your day in court and showing proper respect.
I hope the above is of at least some use.
I posted on here and got the some good advice along with the inevitable hardliners suggesting I be burned at the stake...
I genuinely did learn from the experience and it has made me much more aware of speed limits. Previousy I always stuck to them in urban areas but was a bit liberal out on empty country roads. I now stick to any stated limits religously, even if it is on empty roads.
I hope you can learn from the experience too and turn this into a positive.
Edited by James Junior on Thursday 28th July 13:44
That's confirmed for me then. I believe in being transparent and open. You want advice, mention part-information that might have (or might not) have an influence on the punishment handed out yet you've chosen to avoid full disclosure. No matter what you say now it says to me there's something more serious there.
Again I'm out.
Again I'm out.
Joeguard1990 said:
hora said:
OP what was your first ban for? You've dodged the question which can make one think it was DUI/death by dangerous or similar
Not dodging pal, it's irrelevant to what I'm asking for which was advise. Not entertaining the Bashers and those who are trying to delve deeper. I have no issue at all with you being caught speeding ( Trust me I quite regularly do similar speeds )
However what you were banned for previously could well impact on your current issue I would imagine, So for the best advice people need all the facts.
Joeguard1990 said:
hora said:
OP what was your first ban for? You've dodged the question which can make one think it was DUI/death by dangerous or similar
Not dodging pal, it's irrelevant to what I'm asking for which was advise.If your previous ban was for high-level speeding, or for totting-up speeding, then the magistrate will think you are somewhat resistant to clue.
If it was for something completely unrelated, then they're more likely to discard it.
ZX10R NIN said:
Does it matter?
It's no ones business but his & the courts.
If he's asking for advice on how the court are likely to view it...It's no ones business but his & the courts.
Joeguard1990 said:
Thank you for your helpful comment, which is also incorrect. I did learn from my previous convictions and have always driven insured and licensed since... This is the first time I have been caught speeding.
I have no other comment as unfortunately I may have exceeded the speed limit on the odd occasion. But to all those who are asking abou the OP's previous have you tried reading the first page, you don't have to be Jessica Fletcher to work it outJetblackonetenth said:
have you tried reading the first page, you don't have to be Jessica Fletcher to work it out
True, though that was only edited yesterday and most posters will go straight to the end of a thread rather than continually check to see if the OP has edited their first post. For those people,"I have been convicted in the past of driving on a ban and without insurance just over 3 years ago"
Vaud said:
Jetblackonetenth said:
have you tried reading the first page, you don't have to be Jessica Fletcher to work it out
True, though that was only edited yesterday and most posters will go straight to the end of a thread rather than continually check to see if the OP has edited their first post. For those people,"I have been convicted in the past of driving on a ban and without insurance just over 3 years ago"
Speed matters used to be the PH slogan....as others have said, too many posters have been brainwashed.
Having had my licence for 23 years, and having driven safely but with, shall we say, enthusiasm, I was caught at an average of 106 on a 3 lane non-motorway 70 limit road. I was out with 3 others and cutting a long story short, we were followed by an unmarked bike for in excess of 20 miles on country roads.
Coming down a slip road, several of us accelerated to in excess of 120 for a short period. Zero traffic ahead of us, clear day and dry. When we were pulled by said bike, I asked him about the quality of our driving, to which confirmed that all of our overtakes were safe and due to the speed involved, he was forced to prosecute. I did explain that this was my first offence, was polite etc, but no change in his stance.
His report also state that we were not driving dangerously. Got my summons, along with one other guy within 2 months. Plead guilty by post as I was on holiday at the time of the court date, and wrote my letter of mitigation, which quite simply said I had been stupid, first offence in over 20 years of driving.
I received 6 points, no ban, and a £500 fine. I should have been burned at the stake, as speeding is a heinous crime. You get less punishment for hitting people.
Having had my licence for 23 years, and having driven safely but with, shall we say, enthusiasm, I was caught at an average of 106 on a 3 lane non-motorway 70 limit road. I was out with 3 others and cutting a long story short, we were followed by an unmarked bike for in excess of 20 miles on country roads.
Coming down a slip road, several of us accelerated to in excess of 120 for a short period. Zero traffic ahead of us, clear day and dry. When we were pulled by said bike, I asked him about the quality of our driving, to which confirmed that all of our overtakes were safe and due to the speed involved, he was forced to prosecute. I did explain that this was my first offence, was polite etc, but no change in his stance.
His report also state that we were not driving dangerously. Got my summons, along with one other guy within 2 months. Plead guilty by post as I was on holiday at the time of the court date, and wrote my letter of mitigation, which quite simply said I had been stupid, first offence in over 20 years of driving.
I received 6 points, no ban, and a £500 fine. I should have been burned at the stake, as speeding is a heinous crime. You get less punishment for hitting people.
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