Inability to pay at petrol station - credit agreement?
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mph1977 said:
zarjaz1991 said:
It's more to do with not letting spotty oiks in petrol stations have my personal details. My credit card has been scammed three times now, and each time the source of it has been a petrol station, they are rife with scammers.
I can't get through a month without one of them trying the "your card isn't working, I just need to take it out the back" trick, which I refuse to allow them to do. The industry is riddled with scummy scammers. So no, they are not getting my home address, date of birth telephone number and then later credit card details to match. If they don't like that they can call the police.
and then people wonder why , other than the premium fuel weenies , more and more people fill up at the Supermarket ... I can't get through a month without one of them trying the "your card isn't working, I just need to take it out the back" trick, which I refuse to allow them to do. The industry is riddled with scummy scammers. So no, they are not getting my home address, date of birth telephone number and then later credit card details to match. If they don't like that they can call the police.
zarjaz1991 said:
I can't get through a month without one of them trying the "your card isn't working, I just need to take it out the back" trick, which I refuse to allow them to do. The industry is riddled with scummy scammers. So no, they are not getting my home address, date of birth telephone number and then later credit card details to match. If they don't like that they can call the police.
Really ? I've not had it happen once in the last 20+ years.pinchmeimdreamin said:
zarjaz1991 said:
I can't get through a month without one of them trying the "your card isn't working, I just need to take it out the back" trick, which I refuse to allow them to do. The industry is riddled with scummy scammers. So no, they are not getting my home address, date of birth telephone number and then later credit card details to match. If they don't like that they can call the police.
Really ? I've not had it happen once in the last 20+ years.FFS - Never realised I was that old
Salt, pinch of, is required to believe a load of posters in here sadly.
k he's dragged them into his smph1977 said:
IIRC many of the control consoles allow that and i've seen pumps with a preset option which allows you to increment in 10 and 1 or either litres / currency unit - tesco seem to have quie a few of those ...
Being able to set the amount you want at the pump (in money) would be bloody marvellous on the bike, where I want to put £10, £15 or £20 in and not carry a load of shrapnel about. I've yet to find anywhere that lets me. And stopping the pump at that is a pain in the backside....19.95, 19.96, 19.97, 19.99, 19.99, 19.99, 20.01.Red Devil said:
The sin of omission (inadvertently forgetting your wallet) is not criminal. On its own, the mere act of leaving is insufficient. Look up the definition in Section 1 of the Theft Act 1968. The 'not have legally been able to take them away' in your scenario is a contractual matter which would not be dealt with in a magistrates court.
A deliberate drive off (which is not what this thread is about) is something else. It is no different from shoplifting. The practical issues arising from low value theft from supermarkets spawned a whole new industry: retail loss prevention.
I was trying to explain was in the hypothetical and unrealistic scenario, that only exists in the OP's head where the law prevents a sale contract being entered into without payment being made immediately.A deliberate drive off (which is not what this thread is about) is something else. It is no different from shoplifting. The practical issues arising from low value theft from supermarkets spawned a whole new industry: retail loss prevention.
How could it be a contractual issue, if a contract was not and could not be formed.
This situation would be the owner is clearly saying you cannot have the goods, i am unable to sell them to you and the
It's dishonest, because it is taking property while fully aware consent has been refused.
cmaguire said:
mph1977 said:
IIRC many of the control consoles allow that and i've seen pumps with a preset option which allows you to increment in 10 and 1 or either litres / currency unit - tesco seem to have quie a few of those ...
Being able to set the amount you want at the pump (in money) would be bloody marvellous on the bike, where I want to put £10, £15 or £20 in and not carry a load of shrapnel about. I've yet to find anywhere that lets me. And stopping the pump at that is a pain in the backside....19.95, 19.96, 19.97, 19.99, 19.99, 19.99, 20.01.Depending on where you live compared to the nearest one that does the same however, it may be worth just putting up with the penny!
cmaguire said:
Being able to set the amount you want at the pump (in money) would be bloody marvellous on the bike, where I want to put £10, £15 or £20 in and not carry a load of shrapnel about. I've yet to find anywhere that lets me. And stopping the pump at that is a pain in the backside....19.95, 19.96, 19.97, 19.99, 19.99, 19.99, 20.01.
Thats what the plastic pot for kiddies with brain cancer on the counter is for.cmaguire said:
I use Tesco (or Esso) where possible because of the points and Eurotunnel, and all pumps have Pay at Pump facility.
Yet more than 50% still go inside to pay. Why the hell would you do that ?
These days the van takes the best part of a hundred squid to brim and I damn well want a reciept for that, a person will always give you a receipt, an amstrad not so.Yet more than 50% still go inside to pay. Why the hell would you do that ?
I'm not keen on pay at pump because it's a means of putting people out of work. Same with the self scan checkouts in the main supermarket.
Sometimes it's unavoidable, but by choice I'd prefer not to.
We will gradually all put ourselves out of work if we keep blindly accepting all this automation like lemmings.
Sometimes it's unavoidable, but by choice I'd prefer not to.
We will gradually all put ourselves out of work if we keep blindly accepting all this automation like lemmings.
zarjaz1991 said:
I'm not keen on pay at pump because it's a means of putting people out of work. Same with the self scan checkouts in the main supermarket.
Sometimes it's unavoidable, but by choice I'd prefer not to.
We will gradually all put ourselves out of work if we keep blindly accepting all this automation like lemmings.
But surely, strange logic of your post aside, the people losing their jobs are the "spotty oiks" that you don't want to give your details to and keep allegedly scamming your cards. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but by choice I'd prefer not to.
We will gradually all put ourselves out of work if we keep blindly accepting all this automation like lemmings.
mygoldfishbowl said:
zarjaz1991 said:
I'm not keen on pay at pump because it's a means of putting people out of work. Same with the self scan checkouts in the main supermarket.
Sometimes it's unavoidable, but by choice I'd prefer not to.
We will gradually all put ourselves out of work if we keep blindly accepting all this automation like lemmings.
But surely, strange logic of your post aside, the people losing their jobs are the "spotty oiks" that you don't want to give your details to and keep allegedly scamming your cards. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but by choice I'd prefer not to.
We will gradually all put ourselves out of work if we keep blindly accepting all this automation like lemmings.
mygoldfishbowl said:
But surely, strange logic of your post aside, the people losing their jobs are the "spotty oiks" that you don't want to give your details to and keep allegedly scamming your cards.
It depends on the outlet. There are dodgy 'local' ones, they tend not to have pay at pump, and then there are the big chains and supermarkets, which do often have pay at pump.PH is so black and white. I don't *always* use the same petrol station.
zarjaz1991 said:
pinchmeimdreamin said:
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Really ? I've not had it happen once in the last 20+ years.
Oh, ok, obviously because it's never happened to YOU, it couldn't have happened to me...Really ? I've not had it happen once in the last 20+ years.
Toddles off.....
If it's criminal it requires dishonesty. A mistake / forgetting isn't dishonesty. The dishonesty can be formed later i.e. you decide to not bother going back after the mistake.
It can't be theft, it's 'making off without payment'.
Petrol stations want customers in the shop to buy goods that have better margins than the petrol. If people just fill at the pump / pre-pay (and don't return to the shop) they don't make as much profit.
It can't be theft, it's 'making off without payment'.
Petrol stations want customers in the shop to buy goods that have better margins than the petrol. If people just fill at the pump / pre-pay (and don't return to the shop) they don't make as much profit.
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