M4 HEDACS Smart motorway cameras now being used for 70 limit

M4 HEDACS Smart motorway cameras now being used for 70 limit

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Pebbles167

3,418 posts

151 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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I can't believe there are people still trying to argue that these cameras either don't work when no lower speed limit is advertised, or that the limit is set really high.

The limit is set around 80mph, plenty of proof has been shown.

survivalist

5,614 posts

189 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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Pebbles167 said:
I can't believe there are people still trying to argue that these cameras either don't work when no lower speed limit is advertised, or that the limit is set really high.

The limit is set around 80mph, plenty of proof has been shown.
There does seem to a large number of people who won't accept that this is happening. Add me to the list - 82mph with no variable limit in force. Get to spend an afternoon at a speed awareness workshop - better than 3 points I guess.

With Hadecs now being rolled out at what seems to be an ever increasing pace it won't be long before other areas cotton on to this attractive revenue stream. In the meantime driving standards continue to plummet as everyone tailgates each other doing 75mph. Grrr

CoolHands

18,496 posts

194 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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Pebbles167 said:
I can't believe there are people still trying to argue that these cameras either don't work when no lower speed limit is advertised, or that the limit is set really high.

The limit is set around 80mph, plenty of proof has been shown.
The single demonstrated proof is andoverben's iffy picture on the previous page. Hardly 'plenty'. Show any others if you care to.

Zed 44

1,242 posts

155 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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Using a car on British roads is the most unrewarding, frustrating and costly experiences of modern life. End of.

Riley Blue

20,915 posts

225 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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Zed 44 said:
Using a car on British roads is the most unrewarding, frustrating and costly experiences of modern life. End of.
If you believe that you're either in the wrong car, on the wrong road or at the wrong time; there's plenty of enjoyment to be had if you know where to go, when to go and in what.

Burrito

1,705 posts

219 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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CoolHands said:
The single demonstrated proof is andoverben's iffy picture on the previous page. Hardly 'plenty'. Show any others if you care to.
I was done for 84 on the same stretch just under two years ago.

Pebbles167

3,418 posts

151 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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CoolHands said:
The single demonstrated proof is andoverben's iffy picture on the previous page. Hardly 'plenty'. Show any others if you care to.
Granted, if that's all that's been shown on here then I wouldn't say it's conclusive. I'm also aware of the classic threads of people claiming to be done for under 35mph in a 30 zone but I don't think this is really the same.

That being said, many have piped up saying they've been done, are we to suggest they were lying? I know there are people who say they've been through at light speed and not been done, but that could have been before their activation or prior to the hadecs cameras. It's easier to remember when you were done as opposed to remembering a time when you were not. Of the two I'd be more inclined to trust the reports of those who triggered the cameras.

The signs all point to them working. Plenty of news articles, plenty of threads. A colleague has been caught so I myself know they are on, and if they are set, like many other cameras to 10% +2 mph then they are likely triggered at 79mph.

I know you think I'm scaremongering, as you called my last opinion "bullst" but I've got nothing to gain by doing so, just going on what I've seen.

survivalist

5,614 posts

189 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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Pebbles167 said:
CoolHands said:
The single demonstrated proof is andoverben's iffy picture on the previous page. Hardly 'plenty'. Show any others if you care to.
Granted, if that's all that's been shown on here then I wouldn't say it's conclusive. I'm also aware of the classic threads of people claiming to be done for under 35mph in a 30 zone but I don't think this is really the same.

That being said, many have piped up saying they've been done, are we to suggest they were lying? I know there are people who say they've been through at light speed and not been done, but that could have been before their activation or prior to the hadecs cameras. It's easier to remember when you were done as opposed to remembering a time when you were not. Of the two I'd be more inclined to trust the reports of those who triggered the cameras.

The signs all point to them working. Plenty of news articles, plenty of threads. A colleague has been caught so I myself know they are on, and if they are set, like many other cameras to 10% +2 mph then they are likely triggered at 79mph.

I know you think I'm scaremongering, as you called my last opinion "bullst" but I've got nothing to gain by doing so, just going on what I've seen.
Here's mine, only things obscured are address, reference number and number plate. As you say no reason to lie...

<img src="http://thumbsnap.com/sc/lJs25slB.jpg" alt="Free Photo Sharing by ThumbSnap" /></a>

ETA this link, can't work out this thumb snap stuff, sorry.

http://thumbsnap.com/lJs25slB



CoolHands

18,496 posts

194 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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Thanks. We needed some evidence as for whatever reason, some people on forums make up all sorts of crap. You're links a bit messed up:

http://thumbsnap.com/sc/lJs25slB.jpg

Well the nightmare is coming true then. Soon every motorway in the country will have them and we'll be forced to trundle along at 76mph while surfing facebook.

Since they are also installing them on A roads eg A406 and A40 in London, looks like we're going to be pretty much fked.

All that jazz

7,632 posts

145 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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Seesure said:
I went through the M5 Southbound at Almonsbury stretch about a month back early in the morning and saw a double flash from the opposite carriageway, but it was not from the overhead gantry cameras but from a camera situated on the support tower to the left of the motorway.

None of the overhead cameras flashed....whereas this one did....

HADECS2 = ones on gantry above lanes = old tech now and certainly in my neck of the woods on M62 and M1 none of them work anymore.
HADECS3 = ones on shelf to the side of gantry = latest tech, can enforce speed limit across 5 lanes from one device and are apparently now enforcing NSL when no temp limit in force too from evidence posted in this thread.

You get warning you're approaching a HADECS3 installation as you'll see a line of 3 CCTV cams on a pole about 400 yards before it : Clicky. Those trigger at the same time as the speed camera on the gantry and take a pic of the speed limit being displayed on the VMS boards at the time. Once you see that pole with the cams on, that's the time to start slowing down from a ton to something more sensible. thumbup

Also note there are some HADECS3 installations on the smaller VMS boards : Clicky. These ones only have 2 CCTV cams on a pole before them rather than the usual 3.

Edited by All that jazz on Saturday 13th August 21:37

CoolHands

18,496 posts

194 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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Amazing isn't it, how much do all these installations cost?

Who is responsible for deciding we have them, and rolling it out?

Pebbles167

3,418 posts

151 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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I know it's been said before but it really hammers home the opinion that it's all a big money making scheme.


pim

2,344 posts

123 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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Pebbles167 said:
I know it's been said before but it really hammers home the opinion that it's all a big money making scheme.
Of course it is and it always has been.Safety my backside.

Byker28i

58,860 posts

216 months

Sunday 14th August 2016
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was reported in the local press about 18 months ago

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/m4-m5-speed-cameras-t...

Zed 44

1,242 posts

155 months

Sunday 14th August 2016
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Riley Blue said:
Zed 44 said:
Using a car on British roads is the most unrewarding, frustrating and costly experiences of modern life. End of.
If you believe that you're either in the wrong car, on the wrong road or at the wrong time; there's plenty of enjoyment to be had if you know where to go, when to go and in what.
Do tell. I've just driven home in a steady stream of traffic both ways most of it doing between 5 and 25mph less than the NSL. And if there's minimal traffic there's always the eyes of the plod everywhere to keep you to an ever decreasing speed limit.

PorkInsider

5,877 posts

140 months

Tuesday 16th August 2016
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All that jazz said:
Also note there are some HADECS3 installations on the smaller VMS boards : Clicky. These ones only have 2 CCTV cams on a pole before them rather than the usual 3.
I guessed it would be that particular sign when I read your last paragraph. That's actually the only sign I've seen with Hadecs attached, during my trips up and down the motorways of the UK over past year or so. Luckily I use that stretch regularly and saw it before it became active. I wonder how many more signs there are with Hadecs equipment hung on them?

speedking31

3,543 posts

135 months

Tuesday 16th August 2016
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Have another: M6.

Terminator X

14,922 posts

203 months

Tuesday 16th August 2016
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survivalist said:
Pebbles167 said:
I can't believe there are people still trying to argue that these cameras either don't work when no lower speed limit is advertised, or that the limit is set really high.

The limit is set around 80mph, plenty of proof has been shown.
There does seem to a large number of people who won't accept that this is happening. Add me to the list - 82mph with no variable limit in force. Get to spend an afternoon at a speed awareness workshop - better than 3 points I guess.

With Hadecs now being rolled out at what seems to be an ever increasing pace it won't be long before other areas cotton on to this attractive revenue stream. In the meantime driving standards continue to plummet as everyone tailgates each other doing 75mph. Grrr
Also perhaps worse than that, as they become more well known, will be people getting distracted every time they pass a gantry whilst looking for hadecs camera's. I find myself looking for them now. Yes I could drive everywhere at 70 to avoid a ticket but for me it's simply a daft low limit in 2016. Before the speed brigade gang up on me a true 80 (perhaps 85 on speedo) would be fine on a motorway.

TX.

Edited by Terminator X on Tuesday 16th August 14:03


Edited by Terminator X on Tuesday 16th August 14:04

CoolHands

18,496 posts

194 months

Tuesday 16th August 2016
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speedking31 said:
Have another: M6.
So correct me if I'm wrong but is that in a non speed controlled area of the motorway? Is not a managed motorway, which is I thought the only place these were going to be used?

tapereel

1,860 posts

115 months

Tuesday 16th August 2016
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CoolHands said:
speedking31 said:
Have another: M6.
So correct me if I'm wrong but is that in a non speed controlled area of the motorway? Is not a managed motorway, which is I thought the only place these were going to be used?
You are wrong.

See that big black sign. That can show a speed limit sign and is an alternative to putting one sign above each lane on a large gantry.

So it is a variable speed limit area.