Stopped for no reason. Do I have to hang around?
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An admission alone cannot result in a prosecution. Any prosecution that relies heavily upon an admission is likely to be a very weak and an unsustainable prosecution. I've known cases where people have admitted matters and the CPS have discontinued it as the supporting evidence was not there.
Different countries place different levels of weight on admissions. It's not that important in the UK (most people lie and deny), whereas in Japan, for example, it's very important.
Different countries place different levels of weight on admissions. It's not that important in the UK (most people lie and deny), whereas in Japan, for example, it's very important.
4rephill said:
Personally speaking, I've always found that the best way of dealing with the Police is to be polite, contrite, honest and respectful (it helps that My parents brought Me up to always have respect for the Police).
Over the years, that theory has saved Me from losing My driving licence on at least four occasions, and has helped Me avoid picking up points on My licence on many more occasions (don't bother with the self righteous lectures - You'll be wasting your keyboard time!), so if you think being evasive and awkward with the Police is the right way to go, crack on and "stick it to the man!", but I'm pretty sure you'll just end up causing yourselves more roadside grief, and frankly, life's just too short for that s
t!
Myself? - I'll continue with being polite, contrite, honest and respectful as it's paid major dividends for Me over the years and saved Me from any roadside grief and aggravation.
While I agree with the 'why not be polite?' sentiment, to be saved 4 times suggests you don't have much respect for the laws of the land. A bit ironic therefore to lecture somebody who asks a question about how long they need to be polite when they've done nothing wrong. Over the years, that theory has saved Me from losing My driving licence on at least four occasions, and has helped Me avoid picking up points on My licence on many more occasions (don't bother with the self righteous lectures - You'll be wasting your keyboard time!), so if you think being evasive and awkward with the Police is the right way to go, crack on and "stick it to the man!", but I'm pretty sure you'll just end up causing yourselves more roadside grief, and frankly, life's just too short for that s
t!Myself? - I'll continue with being polite, contrite, honest and respectful as it's paid major dividends for Me over the years and saved Me from any roadside grief and aggravation.
carreauchompeur said:
Am I being detained?
Am I being detained?
AM I BEING DETAINED?
"You are now..."Am I being detained?
AM I BEING DETAINED?
(I was once stopped for"sounding fast, and a second time a few months later for "driving very sensibly". You're following me in a fully marked police car at 1am, would you prefer I tried to get the back out round a roundabout?)
4rephill said:
By refusing to answer questions, being evasive with any answers you do give, being awkward with the Officer, or giving the Officer attitude as some on here seem to think is a clever thing to do, all you end up doing is make yourself look far more suspicious - As the old saying goes: "You reap what you sow!".
Quite, but I can see why the OP would consider the particular line of questioning he mentioned to be irrelevant and inappropriate. Of course the officer might have a different opinion about there being nothing wrong. The reason for the stop could be something other than (not) speeding but the education session seems to have focused on that topic.4rephill said:
Added to that, if you've done nothing wrong, how can you incriminate yourself? 
Myself? - I'll continue with being polite, contrite, honest and respectful as it's paid major dividends for Me over the years and saved Me from any roadside grief and aggravation.
Why would you be contrite if you have not transgressed?Myself? - I'll continue with being polite, contrite, honest and respectful as it's paid major dividends for Me over the years and saved Me from any roadside grief and aggravation.
The majority of the few officers I have interacted with have been polite but there is always the exception. Including the one I encountered who was regrettably ignorant about this and was hell bent on issuing me with a FPN despite mine being fully compliant (it transpired that was his only reason for the tug). At the time the amendment had been on the statute book for over 5 years so was hardly freshly minted. He seemed most upset when I fished out the copy I keep in my glovebox (for that very reason: to negate any potential hassle) and invited him to read it before putting pen to paper.
The surly
didn't even have the decency to admit he had got it wrong or offer the slightest hint of an apology for doing so.e.
Btw, I'm puzzled. Why do you always write 'Me' and 'My' with a capital letter yet don't do so with 'you'. Are you compensating for something?
Mr E said:
"You are now..."
(I was once stopped for"sounding fast, and a second time a few months later for "driving very sensibly". You're following me in a fully marked police car at 1am, would you prefer I tried to get the back out round a roundabout?)
Yes I got stopped at 2am once because I was obeying the speed limit...............(I was once stopped for"sounding fast, and a second time a few months later for "driving very sensibly". You're following me in a fully marked police car at 1am, would you prefer I tried to get the back out round a roundabout?)
You technically can, in reality if they want to keep there you it wont work as insisting on going gives the ''reasonable grounds'' to search you and your car simply on the back of your wish to get going quickly being an attempt to hide something.
Generally if you behave like a dick you'll be met by a bigger dick.
Generally if you behave like a dick you'll be met by a bigger dick.
Edited by Black_S3 on Saturday 13th August 20:36
Jasandjules said:
Yes I got stopped at 2am once because I was obeying the speed limit...............
At one point in my life I could have wallpapered my bedroom with 'Producers' issued to me by the Police, whilst doing nothing wrong at the time. Never got a ticket for anything. But thankfully that doesn't seem to happen to me anymore.Anyway, as patronising and irritating as a lecture from the Police is, I've witnessed first hand the results of just simply driving off when waved down and stopped 'for a chat'.
Long story short, they come to your house about an hour later and demand to know what you were attempting to hide by driving off. Then proceed to check you and your car for bald tyres, defects, been drinking etc etc.
Black_S3 said:
You technically can, in reality if they want to keep there you it wont work as insisting on going gives the ''reasonable grounds'' to search you and your car simply on the back of your wish to get going quickly being an attempt to hide something.
Generally if you behave like a dick you'll be met by a bigger dick.
Politelyasking - are we finished - can I get going now would NOT give grounds for a searchGenerally if you behave like a dick you'll be met by a bigger dick.
Edited by Black_S3 on Saturday 13th August 20:36
NinjaPower said:
At one point in my life I could have wallpapered my bedroom with 'Producers' issued to me by the Police, whilst doing nothing wrong at the time. Never got a ticket for anything. But thankfully that doesn't seem to happen to me anymore.
Anyway, as patronising and irritating as a lecture from the Police is, I've witnessed first hand the results of just simply driving off when waved down and stopped 'for a chat'.
Long story short, they come to your house about an hour later and demand to know what you were attempting to hide by driving off. Then proceed to check you and your car for bald tyres, defects, been drinking etc etc.
Me too. I drove an RS2000 as a teenager in the late 1980s and once got three producers in 30 minutes. I used to take them down to the station in multiples ! So many HORT1s, so little time...Anyway, as patronising and irritating as a lecture from the Police is, I've witnessed first hand the results of just simply driving off when waved down and stopped 'for a chat'.
Long story short, they come to your house about an hour later and demand to know what you were attempting to hide by driving off. Then proceed to check you and your car for bald tyres, defects, been drinking etc etc.
Jasandjules said:
Mr E said:
"You are now..."
(I was once stopped for"sounding fast, and a second time a few months later for "driving very sensibly". You're following me in a fully marked police car at 1am, would you prefer I tried to get the back out round a roundabout?)
Yes I got stopped at 2am once because I was obeying the speed limit...............(I was once stopped for"sounding fast, and a second time a few months later for "driving very sensibly". You're following me in a fully marked police car at 1am, would you prefer I tried to get the back out round a roundabout?)
I pulled on to a roundabout with gusto (but below the limit), the officer said other people wouldn't know my car was capable of that so he was stopping me to 'have a word'.
Toilet Duck said:
carreauchompeur said:
Am I being detained?
Am I being detained?
AM I BEING DETAINED?
If you watch the same youtube videos as me, you need to repeatedly alternate that with "AM I FREE TO GO?"Am I being detained?
AM I BEING DETAINED?
catfood12 said:
Me too. I drove an RS2000 as a teenager in the late 1980s and once got three producers in 30 minutes. I used to take them down to the station in multiples ! So many HORT1s, so little time...
I feel your pain.I passed my test in early 1997 during the era of Max Power magazine, car theft, hot hatches, and £2500 insurance quotes...
Thanks to a perk of the family business I could insure anything from the day I passed my test, so I drove Golf GTi 16v's, Range Rovers, BMW 325i's, and heavily modified/custom stuff.
For reasons I cannot fathom, this seemed to be like a red rag to a bull where the police were concerned, and I was forever getting pulled and made to stand on the side of the road while they ran through the same questions: Is this your car? are you insured? Are the modifications declared? Can we see your licence? Where are you going to?
The enevitable HORT1 would then be dished out..
It didn't help that I wasn't really a drinker so would always be the one driving on a Saturday night at 2:30am after we got kicked out of the nightclubs. Breathalyser tests were fairly common, but even that got me in an argument once. I was slightly irked by the fact that they always asked you to take the straw off the machine and keep it, so on one occasion when they trotted out the line of "there you go, you can keep the straw as a Souvenir" I replied "No it's ok, you can take your own rubbish home with you instead of making me take it for you".
A brief stand off ensued with the officer looking annoyed and demand that I take the straw...
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I'm guessing there's no crime of "Refusing to speak to a Police Officer" but whenever I read threads like this I always find myself wondering why, when there's an easy way and a hard way, people would consider choosing the hard way?
If a copper wanted me to admit to crimes I might have done on other occasions just so he could bk me now, I would not be co-operating!If ever there was a time to ask why are they not catching real criminals, this would be it.
Mr E said:
(I was once stopped for"sounding fast, and a second time a few months later for "driving very sensibly". You're following me in a fully marked police car at 1am, would you prefer I tried to get the back out round a roundabout?)
I too was once stopped for just that, likewise well after midnight. The roads were almost deserted and I was sticking resolutely to the speed limit (30mph) which excited the officer's interest. As he told me during our conversation, he found my doing so "quite unusual round here at such an hour" and assumed it meant I was intoxicated! No chance, as I never have any drink containing alcohol when I know I'm going to be driving afterwards. Red Devil said:
Mr E said:
(I was once stopped for"sounding fast, and a second time a few months later for "driving very sensibly". You're following me in a fully marked police car at 1am, would you prefer I tried to get the back out round a roundabout?)
I too was once stopped for just that, likewise well after midnight. The roads were almost deserted and I was sticking resolutely to the speed limit (30mph) which excited the officer's interest. As he told me during our conversation, he found my doing so "quite unusual round here at such an hour" and assumed it meant I was intoxicated! No chance, as I never have any drink containing alcohol when I know I'm going to be driving afterwards. k all once.On the way home from the birth of second child at 3 in the morning. Quite tired, so driving along a 50mph A road at 50mph on the cruise control, so probably marginally under 50mph in reality.
Saw a police car in my mirrors, about 3 miles later he pulled me over. Not amused. He asked me what speed I was doing, I said "you tell me, you've been following me for 3 miles". Then he asks if I have been drinking, and I said no. He then said he had reason to believe I had been drinking because of how I was driving, I offered to go to his car and look at any camera footage he had, and also informed him I hadn't had a drink in about 2 weeks. After that he gave up and told me I could go.
I understand that the laws allow the police to stop drivers for no reason, but when they do this they should realise it does not exactly build bridges with the public. And many of the public don't have a great perception of policing already. I have very rarely ever been stopped, but if I was getting lots of HORT1's I would have been sending them complaints and considering legal action. Surely they only need to check License, Tax and MOT very periodically as these things don't magically expire.
Do producers even get issued anymore when they can use ANPR/DVLA/MID to verify License, Tax and insurance?
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