Deprived enjoyment

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plasticpig

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12,932 posts

225 months

Friday 12th August 2016
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Interesting case here

Article said:
A McLaren driver who was involved in a collision with a tractor just weeks into ownership has successfully claimed compensation for the enjoyment he was deprived of while his supercar was being fixed.

PoleDriver

28,638 posts

194 months

Friday 12th August 2016
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Are you making a specific point, or just posting a (non) news item?

plasticpig

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12,932 posts

225 months

Friday 12th August 2016
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It's news to me.

Jasandjules

69,895 posts

229 months

Friday 12th August 2016
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This is not unknown - loss of enjoyment however tended to be excluded from contractual relationships (which clearly this was not) save for contracts which were for enjoyment i.e. a holiday....

davepoth

29,395 posts

199 months

Friday 12th August 2016
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Binding precedent? Could cause some interesting cases if it is...

Flooble

5,565 posts

100 months

Friday 12th August 2016
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Yeah, I can see Aygo drivers who are hit by someone else having to hand over cash for being released from their punishment :-P

Edited by Flooble on Friday 12th August 20:25

Slidingpillar

761 posts

136 months

Friday 12th August 2016
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davepoth said:
Binding precedent? Could cause some interesting cases if it is...
I'd not be surprised if the insurance company appeals here, as although I doubt it sets a precedent, the danger of folk thinking so, and dragging even the simplest of cases through the courts must be considered.

TooMany2cvs

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126 months

Friday 12th August 2016
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davepoth said:
Binding precedent? Could cause some interesting cases if it is...
Not really - because most people would get (at least the option for) an "equivalent" loan car while theirs is out of action.

The article said:
Despite owning two Aston Martins, a Range Rover and a BMW 5 Series, Gow eventually hired a Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG to drive instead of the McLaren.

Corpulent Tosser

5,459 posts

245 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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Its not unreasonable to want a like for like replacement.

Esceptico

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109 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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Even if you don't drive your car it is still losing value (except in very limited cases eg GT4 or limited production Ferrari). The person in this case could easily be paying £2k a month just owing the McLaren so I can understand with such a high cost he feels he should have the pleasure of driving something equivalent.

Magic919

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201 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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I'm not sure we can afford the cost of everyone claiming a like for like hire car.

Likes Fast Cars

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165 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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Magic919 said:
I'm not sure we can afford the cost of everyone claiming a like for like hire car.
Isn't this a provision in a lot policies? The policies are costed and charged based on the provisions of the policy and the risk the insurer is taking on, therefore they can afford it.

TooMany2cvs

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Saturday 13th August 2016
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Likes Fast Cars said:
Magic919 said:
I'm not sure we can afford the cost of everyone claiming a like for like hire car.
Isn't this a provision in a lot policies? The policies are costed and charged based on the provisions of the policy and the risk the insurer is taking on, therefore they can afford it.
The tractor driver's insurance priced his policy on the basis he might hit a McLaren, and they might have to pay for hiring an SLS...?

Likes Fast Cars

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Saturday 13th August 2016
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TooMany2cvs said:
The tractor driver's insurance priced his policy on the basis he might hit a McLaren, and they might have to pay for hiring an SLS...?
Fair comment, I was referring to policies in general, for cars (not the tractors!), I suppose in future they insurance co's will start to look at the number of supercars located near farmers and price the policy (r exclude) accordingly.

TooMany2cvs

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Saturday 13th August 2016
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Likes Fast Cars said:
TooMany2cvs said:
The tractor driver's insurance priced his policy on the basis he might hit a McLaren, and they might have to pay for hiring an SLS...?
Fair comment, I was referring to policies in general, for cars (not the tractors!)
The same applies to Mrs Miggins' Micra, of course.

Likes Fast Cars said:
I suppose in future they insurance co's will start to look at the number of supercars located near farmers and price the policy (r exclude) accordingly.
It's a good job that cars, in general, stay exactly where they're insured, and don't move around the country much. I can't imagine people near That London (where most supercars are, of course) will be too thrilled at having a supercar-proximity hike in their premiums.

Sheepshanks

32,764 posts

119 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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Likes Fast Cars said:
Isn't this a provision in a lot policies? The policies are costed and charged based on the provisions of the policy and the risk the insurer is taking on, therefore they can afford it.
I'd say like-for-like in policies is rare.

plasticpig

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Saturday 13th August 2016
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The equivalency bit is what I find interesting. If someone crashes into my Scimitar GTC am I entitled to hire an equivalent and claim of their insurance? A lot of the enjoyment I get from driving it is that it's a classic. So can I go and hire a Triumph Stag at £160 a day rather than say a modern BMW 3 Series at £75 a day?


Magic919

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201 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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It's making the third party pay for an expensive hire car I'm not keen on.

TooMany2cvs

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Saturday 13th August 2016
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plasticpig said:
The equivalency bit is what I find interesting. If someone crashes into my Scimitar GTC am I entitled to hire an equivalent and claim of their insurance? A lot of the enjoyment I get from driving it is that it's a classic. So can I go and hire a Triumph Stag at £160 a day rather than say a modern BMW 3 Series at £75 a day?
When somebody hit my Saab 900T16 a few years ago, I was told by the insurance that the equivalent was a diesel Golf.

I suspect your likelihood of success is in direct proportion to the cost of the barrister you're willing to hire.

Sheepshanks

32,764 posts

119 months

Saturday 13th August 2016
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plasticpig said:
The equivalency bit is what I find interesting. If someone crashes into my Scimitar GTC am I entitled to hire an equivalent and claim of their insurance? A lot of the enjoyment I get from driving it is that it's a classic. So can I go and hire a Triumph Stag at £160 a day rather than say a modern BMW 3 Series at £75 a day?
I guess the point in the case featured is that he was driving the car for fun, not out of necessity, so on that basis the answer to your question must be yes.