Quick personal plate query.

[milleplod]

Car sold today, new keeper has gone off with the V5c and I'll be posting the V5 to DVLA tomorrow. I'll also be removing my personal plate using the online system once its up and running again at 8am tomorrow. Am I right in thinking that the new keeper won't end up with a V5 in his name with my plate on it as long as the removal is actioned prior to the keeper change landing on DVLA's doorstep?

Thanks.

Pete

[ging84]

I think you could be in a spot of bother here, you really should have taken the plate off first

How important / valuable is the plate?

How clear were you with the buyer that the plate was not included in the sale ?

You sold the car with the plate on it, how can you disprove it if the buyer says you sold him the car with the plate included as part of the sale?

[AndrewEH1]

MAKE SURE YOU SORT THE NUMBERPLATE BEFORE POSTING THE V5 WITH THE NEW KEEPER DETAILS!

If the DVLA action the V5 before you remove the numberplate you will lose the plate unless the new keeper is feeling generous. You really should have removed the plate before selling the car.

[medieval]

I am afraid that the new owner of the car may be the new owner of the plate on that basis.

The plate needs to be removed before the sale to be sure of its rentention sadly

Best wishes

[MOBB]

As above be very very careful

I nearly lost a plate in similar circumstances

[milleplod]

Ta chaps. The buyer's fine regarding the plate, even if he does end up with a V5 for it in his name, it won't be an issue. I just wondered regarding the timing really - 8am tomorrow, online plate removal....Wed/Thurs (?) V5 with change of keeper lands at DVLA.

Pete

[Sebring440]

The new owner has presumably taxed the car today, with the current number plate, and (obviously), taxed in his name. That beats 8.00am tomorrow.

[GoneAnon]

Don't send the V5C that has the private plate on it. Get online and take the plate off asap then wait for the new V5C to arrive then send that.

If Swansea receive the one with the private plate they will cancel the new tax on whatever car you put the private plate on because they don't read the document refs or even the model details.

Ask how I know this...

[milleplod]

GoneAnon said:

Don't send the V5C that has the private plate on it. Get online and take the plate off asap then wait for the new V5C to arrive then send that.

If Swansea receive the one with the private plate they will cancel the new tax on whatever car you put the private plate on because they don't read the document refs or even the model details.

Ask how I know this...

Thanks for that.

Pete

[imagineifyeswill]

You should have taken the plate off first, if the new keeper has taxed the vehicle today he also now owns the plate, I fell owner to a private plate exactly that way.

[Terzo123]

milleplod said:

Ta chaps. The buyer's fine regarding the plate, even if he does end up with a V5 for it in his name, it won't be an issue. I just wondered regarding the timing really - 8am tomorrow, online plate removal....Wed/Thurs (?) V5 with change of keeper lands at DVLA.

Pete

I too thought my buyer would be fine. Ended up losing my plate because of it.

[anonymous-user]

Did you give the buyer a 'bill of sale' for the car? If so, what registration number (if any) did this state?

[GoneAnon]

milleplod said:

GoneAnon said:

Don't send the V5C that has the private plate on it. Get online and take the plate off asap then wait for the new V5C to arrive then send that.

If Swansea receive the one with the private plate they will cancel the new tax on whatever car you put the private plate on because they don't read the document refs or even the model details.

Ask how I know this...

Thanks for that.

Pete

Forgot to add, it seems the yellow section reaching DVLA could be what caused my problem so ask your buyer to hold on to it or he'll have to buy another tax-(what do we call it now there's no disc?) for the new reg number the car will get.

[Dr_Rick]

I bought a car from a friend in May this year, which had his private plate on it. Reading the paperwork and him talking to DVLA, if they processed the change of owner with the private plate on it, technically, the plate ownership moves with the car. Now, I was fine to hand it back to him so it wouldn't be a problem. The way we did it was to use the plate transfer system to change ownership at the same time, not change ownership with a plate transfer to follow (note the order). There's a specific form to complete that allowed the car to be taxed on the private plate, the plate would be transferred to a specific person on retention (he then transferred it to his new vehicle), and the original plate put back on. I only received a V5c in my name with the original plate on it. I was also fortunate in that my insurance was initially based on the private plate and because I got it transferred off within 6wks, there was no charge to change the paperwork to the original plate when it was live.

[surveyor_101]

Look into this for a mate, as he was buying a car with a private plate.

Owner had , had new car months but let mot run out on old car and left it without doing anything about the plate. He had just got back from working in oz for a year and wanted a car asap to start his new job in the U.K.

Not overly happy that the car was into mot serviced or tax 4 years old a3 so not a cheap car when we went to see it.

Seller agreed deal and get car tax, mot and serviced for collection next week. The plate was agreed to stay on the car. Within two days they txt my mate to say they wanted to keep the plate and th deal the same.

He said no and walked away. As I understand it if it on the car at keeper change it then belongs to the new keeper.

[Busa mav]

You can go online and remove the plate in 2 minutes.

You can then notify them of the sale. Hopefully you still have a copy of the V5.

[milleplod]

Evening all.

Plate removed online this morning at 8am, retention certificate on its way. New keeper's gone to his local PO this afternoon with a V62 and taxed it there if I understood him right....presumably backdated to 1st August.

I spoke to a very helpful guy at DVLA earlier - he said I'd be getting a V5 through the letterbox in my name with the original plate on it, automatically generated by the personal plate removal. He said that the application for a V5 via the V62 from the new keeper would nullify the one generated this morning by virtue of the 8-hour time difference....and that I should bin the V5 I've still got in my name with the personal plate on it.

Hopefully, job done. But as I said earlier, if the new keeper had ended up with my plate on his V5, it wasn't anything I was worried about. You'll have to trust me on that one!

Pete

[milleplod]

All good chaps! Retention certificate landed this morning. Hurrah!

Pete

[rockford22]

imagineifyeswill said:

You should have taken the plate off first, if the new keeper has taxed the vehicle today he also now owns the plate, I fell owner to a private plate exactly that way.

Felt compelled to reply to this which is total rubbish. It is entirely irrelevant who taxes the vehicle as to who "owns" the plate. Can I tax your car and "own" your plate?

[4rephill]

rockford22 said:

imagineifyeswill said:

You should have taken the plate off first, if the new keeper has taxed the vehicle today he also now owns the plate, I fell owner to a private plate exactly that way.

Felt compelled to reply to this which is total rubbish. It is entirely irrelevant who taxes the vehicle as to who "owns" the plate. Can I tax your car and "own" your plate?

If someone sells a car with a private/cherished registration number on it and doesn't specifically state that the registration number is not included in the sale (and get the buyer to sign an agreement to that fact), can they simply come back to the new owner at a later date and claim they still "own" the registration number?

If you buy a car with a private/cherished registration number on it, unless it's specifically excluded from the sale, when you register and tax the vehicle, the number becomes yours.

No, just taxing the car on the private/cherished registration number doesn't automatically make you the new "owner" of the number, but without any paperwork to show the previous owner never intended the number to be a part of the sale, it adds to the new "owners" claim to the registration number.

This is the entire point of this thread: Being careful when it comes to selling a car that has a private/cherished registration number on it.

In the past, plenty of people haver been caught out by selling a car with a valuable private/cherished registration number on it and trying to transfer the registration number after the sale has been done.

Many were reassured at the time of sale that the buyer had no interest in the registration number at all and had no issue with the number being transferred later on, only to find out that the buyer had registered and taxed the car ASAP and were now the new "owner" of the number.

The advice being given in this thread is very sound and sensible:

1) Always transfer your cherished/private number to another vehicle or retention certificate before selling your car.

2) Should your cherished/private number still be on the car when you come to sell it, ensure you specifically state that the registration number is not included in the sale, and get the buyer to sign a document agreeing that the registration number is not included with the car in the sale.