License endorsement for breaking the rules whilst cycling

[DB77]

I commute in London daily - either by cycle, motorbike or bus depending on my mood / the weather / drinking plans.

I routinely see cyclists jumping red lights, cycling whilst texting, cycling on pavements, etc. I am amazed there are not more serious injuries / fatalities. When cycling, I stick to the rules, in part for safety but also because I would hate to have a license endorsement (and increased insurance premiums on my motor policies) because of a cycling offence.

So, my question is, is it possible to get an endorsement on a driving license because of breaking road rules whilst cycling?

Cheers

[MickF11]

No.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Concise and accurate answer. I wish PH was more like this.

[DB77]

Thanks!

[blueg33]

Karma is the only punishment

[helix402]

No. Licence.

[agtlaw]

Actually, yes. You won't get penalty points but the court has the power to ban you from driving for any offence.

[Red Devil]

MickF11 said:

No.

helix402 said:

No.

I don't know about endorsement (agtlaw will) but, as he said, you can definitely be disqualified.

CPS Sentencing Ancillary Orders said:

Section 146 Powers of Criminal Courts (Sentencing) Act 2000.

Any court may disqualify an offender from driving on conviction for any offence, either in addition to or instead of any other sentence. Somewhat surprisingly, perhaps, it is not a requirement of disqualification that the offence is connected with the use of a motor vehicle: the power to disqualify under s. 146 is a general power.

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http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_and_...
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/6/section...

OP, the power has been used but you would have to have done something very serious to warrant it.
http://road.cc/content/news/6442-cyclist-jailed-ca...

[helix402]

You are correct, however the chances of points on a driving licence for a cycling offence are slim.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Red Devil said:

MickF11 said:

No.

helix402 said:

No.

I don't know about endorsement (agtlaw will) but, as he said, you can definitely be disqualified.

CPS Sentencing Ancillary Orders said:

Section 146 Powers of Criminal Courts (Sentencing) Act 2000.

Any court may disqualify an offender from driving on conviction for any offence, either in addition to or instead of any other sentence. Somewhat surprisingly, perhaps, it is not a requirement of disqualification that the offence is connected with the use of a motor vehicle: the power to disqualify under s. 146 is a general power.

.
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_and_...
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/6/section...

OP, the power has been used but you would have to have done something very serious to warrant it.
http://road.cc/content/news/6442-cyclist-jailed-ca...

What a stupid law

[funkyrobot]

DB77 said:

I commute in London daily - either by cycle, motorbike or bus depending on my mood / the weather / drinking plans.

I routinely see cyclists jumping red lights, cycling whilst texting, cycling on pavements, etc. I am amazed there are not more serious injuries / fatalities. When cycling, I stick to the rules, in part for safety but also because I would hate to have a license endorsement (and increased insurance premiums on my motor policies) because of a cycling offence.

So, my question is, is it possible to get an endorsement on a driving license because of breaking road rules whilst cycling?

Cheers

Many, many drivers are never caught and punished for these things. I guess an idiot on a bicycle will hardly ever be caught either.

[Impasse]

Wasn't there a story (urban myth?) about a chap who received three points for manufacturing a sign warning of a speed trap a few years back?

[surveyor_101]

Surely this is a safety measure, as is riding in the middle of road.

If they stopped at the red lights other vehicles might get close to them and we can't have that.

[Aretnap]

Impasse said:

Wasn't there a story (urban myth?) about a chap who received three points for manufacturing a sign warning of a speed trap a few years back?

Not quite. He was banned from driving for it - not given points.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1463472/Mot...

The Act mentioned above gives courts the power to ban people from driving for any offence. There's no equivalent power to impose points for any offence.

IIRC the original intention was that a ban could be just another punishment option which stopped short of prison - young hoodlums causing trouble on Friday night could have their driving licences taken away instead of/as well as being given a curfew or having to spend a few weekends litter picking in their local park. In practice it hasn't been used like that, and is generally only used for offences which are at least indirectly related to driving. I also vaguely recall a case of someone who got banned for setting fire to a speed camera.

Edited by Aretnap on Saturday 20th August 13:33

[agtlaw]

helix402 said:

You are correct, however the chances of points on a driving licence for a cycling offence are slim.

Actually, the chance is nil. Ban - yes. Points - no.

[Danattheopticians]

agtlaw said:

helix402 said:

You are correct, however the chances of points on a driving licence for a cycling offence are slim.

Actually, the chance is nil. Ban - yes. Points - no.

I've also heard this to be true, however, what happens to a cyclist who doesn't have a driving licence? Can anyone be banned from cycling?

[agtlaw]

Danattheopticians said:

I've also heard this to be true, however, what happens to a cyclist who doesn't have a driving licence? Can anyone be banned from cycling?

A driving ban is not conditional on having a driving licence.

[Danattheopticians]

^^ That's also true, but if someone has no intention to get a licence with no interest to ever drive a motor vehicle and they are then given a ban then this ban would become void to that person's life right? In this case they would be free to continue cycling too, so the ban imposed on to that person would be rendered pointless. But the law has nothing in place to stop a cycling offender from cycling, is this correct?

[agtlaw]

Cyling ban could be part of an ASBO or similar.

[Danattheopticians]

OK, this now make more sense.

I find law stuff fascinating, especially when it seems flawed, like this case did but it's now cleared up. I'd never want to be a lawyer/solicitor ect... as it's way too much reading and paperwork for me.