Caught a car keyer on my CCTV

[OzzyR1]

Pasteurised said:

tdm34 said:

The cops will probably know him, but if not someone local will, so if the cops do nothing, then an anonymous transit, Shovel, bag of lime and a couple of heavy duty mates in the back, when you spot him quietly roll up alongside side door opens, two pairs of hands grab him chucked in the back, drive up to the local moors, marched onto the moor, told to start digging, if he asks what the lime is for then tell him it's for enhancing the decomposing process, after a few minutes remove his shoes and socks and tell him if another car gets scratched then it'll be for real and just leave him there.....

Now a friend of mine did just this a few years back and the scrote concerned literally shat himself and then had to walk over 10 miles..

Your friend committed a War Crime.

No he didn't, because it never happened.

[Pasteurised]

OzzyR1 said:

No he didn't, because it never happened.

You really think someone would do that? Just go on the Internet and tell lies?

[Markbarry1977]

hora said:

OP he looks about 13-15? DONT let this go to Restorative Justice/the RJ route. It's criminal damage.

I second that, I used to volunteer to be on Youth Offending Panels for a local county youth offending service. The youth offending order is broken into two parts. 1 rehabilitation (anger management, CAMS, adaction referrals etc and the second was restorative justice (RJ), normally they are only allowed 1 shot at a youth offending order after that it escalates but I saw the same faces over and over.

The RJ side of things is a joke, they can only give so many hours depending on if the order is 1, 3, 6 months and it's not much to be honest. I fear though you get no choice in the matter. If it's his first time with a youth offending order, best You can get is a lame apology and maybe some cock and bull story about why he did it.

Shame it's not like 30 years ago, if I had keyed a car my dad would have taken a belt to my arse and I would have been sitting gingerly for a long time.

Could you go for the parents through small claims. I'm not a lawyer or legally educated but just a thought.

[Ali Chappussy]

Don't expect too much justice from the offical channels.

In my area, there were a group of 'yoots' going round smashing car windscreens at night. In one night, 8 were done. When caught and taken to court they showed absolutely no remorse and it was bought to the attention of the magistrate that they all came from broken homes, had no father figure in their lives blah blah blah.

Bottom line. Let off with a caution (turns out one of the little scrotes had got previous for the same thing) and freed back into the community.

I'd give them a jab which would remove them from the gene pool. Car scratcher today is tomorrow's drug dealer/murderer so let's not waste time and put them down before they can become hardened crims.

Too harsh? Tough!

[Burnham]

Vandenberg said:

Harvey Mushman00 said:

If a someone did that to my car and I could identify them and find them I would make sure they couldn't walk or lift their arms for months, it would be done quietly and without letting the whole world know I was looking for revenge, he wouldn't do it again, something like that stays with you for a long time, not saying its right, its just how I would react.

The Brazilian approach I would assume is pretty effective

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b16_1471526857 (Not suitable for the overly sensitive)

He'll certainly think twice before doing it again. He's probably very grateful for what he got, as it could have been far worse.

[Greendubber]

Markbarry1977 said:

hora said:

OP he looks about 13-15? DONT let this go to Restorative Justice/the RJ route. It's criminal damage.

I second that, I used to volunteer to be on Youth Offending Panels for a local county youth offending service. The youth offending order is broken into two parts. 1 rehabilitation (anger management, CAMS, adaction referrals etc and the second was restorative justice (RJ), normally they are only allowed 1 shot at a youth offending order after that it escalates but I saw the same faces over and over.

The RJ side of things is a joke, they can only give so many hours depending on if the order is 1, 3, 6 months and it's not much to be honest. I fear though you get no choice in the matter. If it's his first time with a youth offending order, best You can get is a lame apology and maybe some cock and bull story about why he did it.

Shame it's not like 30 years ago, if I had keyed a car my dad would have taken a belt to my arse and I would have been sitting gingerly for a long time.

Could you go for the parents through small claims. I'm not a lawyer or legally educated but just a thought.

Or part of the restorative justice could be a conditional caution meaning the damage is paid for by his parents.....

.....meaning your not out of pocket.

[Guybrush]

tdm34 said:

speedyguy said:

Greendubber said:

Of course you would.

Are you being naive or facetious?

Lack of court sanction following police intervention if they can be bothered is leading the way to the slippery slope. See my post and others above by what are probably in the main law abiding citizens feeling badly let down.

Back in the '80s my mum had a pub in the Greater Manchester area, and I used to do the odd shift behind the bar to help her out, one night a scrote came through the door, he was completely off his face and mum refused to serve him, so he started getting mouthy, I ended up escorting him to the door and ejecting him without using excessive force, as he staggered off he made all sorts of threats, but I didn't think anything of it and forgot about it.

Fast forward a couple of months Mum asks me to do a shift as one of her regular bar staff was off sick, so I rode my GS1000 to the pub and parked it up behind the pub in its usual place locked it up and went inside to do the shift, when finished went outside and the seat had been slashed and the tank keyed badly.

A couple of days later I was in the town centre that the pub was minding my own business, when the scrote and a couple of his mates appeared were they stupidly admitted that they were responsible and that there was no way that I could prove it to the cops, they walked off laughing to themselves.

Fast forward another couple of months I bumped into the same scrote again, but this time he was on his own.......

Strangely six of his fingers just broke of their own accord.

Lowlife. Thoroughly deserved.

[anonymous-user]

Markbarry1977 said:

I second that, I used to volunteer to be on Youth Offending Panels for a local county youth offending service. The youth offending order is broken into two parts. 1 rehabilitation (anger management, CAMS, adaction referrals etc and the second was restorative justice (RJ), normally they are only allowed 1 shot at a youth offending order after that it escalates but I saw the same faces over and over.

The RJ side of things is a joke, they can only give so many hours depending on if the order is 1, 3, 6 months and it's not much to be honest. I fear though you get no choice in the matter. If it's his first time with a youth offending order, best You can get is a lame apology and maybe some cock and bull story about why he did it.

Shame it's not like 30 years ago, if I had keyed a car my dad would have taken a belt to my arse and I would have been sitting gingerly for a long time.

Could you go for the parents through small claims. I'm not a lawyer or legally educated but just a thought.

If the victim doesn't want RJ then it cannot occur.

[Markbarry1977]

Greendubber said:

Markbarry1977 said:

hora said:

OP he looks about 13-15? DONT let this go to Restorative Justice/the RJ route. It's criminal damage.

I second that, I used to volunteer to be on Youth Offending Panels for a local county youth offending service. The youth offending order is broken into two parts. 1 rehabilitation (anger management, CAMS, adaction referrals etc and the second was restorative justice (RJ), normally they are only allowed 1 shot at a youth offending order after that it escalates but I saw the same faces over and over.

The RJ side of things is a joke, they can only give so many hours depending on if the order is 1, 3, 6 months and it's not much to be honest. I fear though you get no choice in the matter. If it's his first time with a youth offending order, best You can get is a lame apology and maybe some cock and bull story about why he did it.

Shame it's not like 30 years ago, if I had keyed a car my dad would have taken a belt to my arse and I would have been sitting gingerly for a long time.

Could you go for the parents through small claims. I'm not a lawyer or legally educated but just a thought.

Or part of the restorative justice could be a conditional caution meaning the damage is paid for by his parents.....

.....meaning your not out of pocket.

Great idea, unfortunately that's not how it works. I have sat on youth offending panels where the parents didn't even bother turning up, where the youth offending service representative HS had to act as guardian. We cannot impose anything on the parents. The child has been sentenced to a youth offending order already. Therefore you can't punish the parent (this is all assuming a youth offending order has been imposed for restorative justice).

Edited by Markbarry1977 on Monday 22 August 18:58

[Markbarry1977]

La Liga said:

f the victim doesn't want RJ then it cannot occur.

true. The youth can refuse to participate, I only had it once, they are reminded that if they fail to actively participate in the youth offending order, or fail to agree to one as set out by the 2 members of the referral panel then they can be returned to court and chances are that they will get a custodial sentence. This certainly happened in the one instance I came across.

Edited by Markbarry1977 on Monday 22 August 19:01

[Greendubber]

Markbarry1977 said:

Greendubber said:

Markbarry1977 said:

hora said:

OP he looks about 13-15? DONT let this go to Restorative Justice/the RJ route. It's criminal damage.

I second that, I used to volunteer to be on Youth Offending Panels for a local county youth offending service. The youth offending order is broken into two parts. 1 rehabilitation (anger management, CAMS, adaction referrals etc and the second was restorative justice (RJ), normally they are only allowed 1 shot at a youth offending order after that it escalates but I saw the same faces over and over.

The RJ side of things is a joke, they can only give so many hours depending on if the order is 1, 3, 6 months and it's not much to be honest. I fear though you get no choice in the matter. If it's his first time with a youth offending order, best You can get is a lame apology and maybe some cock and bull story about why he did it.

Shame it's not like 30 years ago, if I had keyed a car my dad would have taken a belt to my arse and I would have been sitting gingerly for a long time.

Could you go for the parents through small claims. I'm not a lawyer or legally educated but just a thought.

Or part of the restorative justice could be a conditional caution meaning the damage is paid for by his parents.....

.....meaning your not out of pocket.

Great idea, unfortunately that's not how it works. I have sat on youth offending panels where the parents didn't even bother turning up, where the youth offending service representative HS had to act as guardian. We cannot impose anything on the parents. The child has been sentenced to a youth offending order already. Therefore you can't punish the parent (this is all assuming a youth offending order has been imposed for restorative justice).

Edited by Markbarry1977 on Monday 22 August 18:58

Well I have certainly seen them done, so I'm not sure where you're coming from. I dont recall any kind of youth offending panel even being involved either?

Kid smashes fence up
Gets locked up
Rather than criminalise a 14 year old a conditional caution was given as he admitted it, showed remourse etc. Fence is paid for by parents, fence bloke happy, kid winds neck in and no further issues.

• edited to add**

I'm wrong, it must have been community resolution not a conditional caution as you have to be 18 for one if those (Its been a while.....)

But still relevant in the case of the OP if they're still done and the kids not already a member of the CRO club.

Edited by Greendubber on Monday 22 August 19:27

[beeej]

Okay, let's try to get this back on topic. An update from me is that the boy who keyed the cars is just 12. He is already known to authorities, and local plod are pretty pleased about the footage. We've been asked to go to the station to make statements, so that he can be charged (are juveniles charged?) for each vehicle he damaged.

Of the 6 cars he scratched, just 3 are shown in footage. Would a judge be happy that on balance, he scratched all 6? I guess so. If the girls he was with say that he did, the combination of witness statements from them plus the video from my camera is pretty compelling.

I get the impression from what the police are saying that this would go to court - I have no clue how that works for a kid - and there is no talk of this saying sorry first offence liberal huggy stuff.

[Greendubber]

beeej said:

Okay, let's try to get this back on topic. An update from me is that the boy who keyed the cars is just 12. He is already known to authorities, and local plod are pretty pleased about the footage. We've been asked to go to the station to make statements, so that he can be charged (are juveniles charged?) for each vehicle he damaged.

Of the 6 cars he scratched, just 3 are shown in footage. Would a judge be happy that on balance, he scratched all 6? I guess so. If the girls he was with say that he did, the combination of witness statements from them plus the video from my camera is pretty compelling.

I get the impression from what the police are saying that this would go to court - I have no clue how that works for a kid - and there is no talk of this saying sorry first offence liberal huggy stuff.

Goid news then and yes juveniles can be charged to court, they go to juveniles court.

Lets hope you're getting somewhere, what a little bd.

[PorkInsider]

Greendubber said:

Goid news then and yes juveniles can be charged to court, they go to juveniles court.

Lets hope you're getting somewhere, what a little bd.

Will be a complete waste of the police's time getting him to court.

We all know that nothing meaningful will come of that.

[Greendubber]

PorkInsider said:

Greendubber said:

Goid news then and yes juveniles can be charged to court, they go to juveniles court.

Lets hope you're getting somewhere, what a little bd.

Will be a complete waste of the police's time getting him to court.

We all know that nothing meaningful will come of that.

You never know

[Markbarry1977]

Best of luck, I'm glad you appear to be getting somewhere with the police. I just fear that even though he is known to police as a scroat, if this is his first time at court. Bearing in mind he may have had warnings both formal and informal before. If it's his first time infront of a judge I think your going to be disappointed in the outcome. I truly hope I am wrong and you manage to get your costs back.

Maybe take a free 30 min consultation with a lawyer or seek cab advise on small claims.

[Galsia]

steveo3002 said:

if it was me i would post it up on all the local town /village facebook pages , youtube with town name in etc

This but I would claim that he is a paedophile instead of a vandal.

[anonymous-user]

Galsia said:

steveo3002 said:

if it was me i would post it up on all the local town /village facebook pages , youtube with town name in etc

This but I would claim that he is a paedophile instead of a vandal.

And that's when the problems start with people like Galsai becoming the problem, getting idiot involvement rather than just using or presenting facts

[pim]

A court can't do much with a twelve year old.

Make him work in a residential home for halve a day a week.Or something similar to make him understand this is not the way.

We have a few kids around this area who damage trees and just general vandalism.

[tdm34]

Pasteurised said:

OzzyR1 said:

No he didn't, because it never happened.

You really think someone would do that? Just go on the Internet and tell lies?

Well I "was"a lot younger and angrier in those days, I wouldn't do it these days as I'd be in bother, but in those days the cops that used to drink in the pub knew what had happened and didn't give a stuff