Need advice re: course of action after buying a bent car
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TroubledSoul said:
Surprised to see this one being revived this morning!
STUFF THAT DOESN'T CONSTITUTE AN UPDATE
When I have a proper update I will update. Until then, adios!
I want that minute of my life back please.STUFF THAT DOESN'T CONSTITUTE AN UPDATE
When I have a proper update I will update. Until then, adios!
In other news, the longer you faff and procrastinate, the less chance there is of legal recourse. But, I have a funny feeling you're probably not going to bother anyway.
C70R said:
I want that minute of my life back please.
In other news, the longer you faff and procrastinate, the less chance there is of legal recourse. But, I have a funny feeling you're probably not going to bother anyway.
I've got a couple of things to do first. There's a possibility it's not actually as bad as I'd first feared, and despite what some of these lot may think, I don't particularly want to cause any trouble for the seller if I don't have to. In other news, the longer you faff and procrastinate, the less chance there is of legal recourse. But, I have a funny feeling you're probably not going to bother anyway.
I should know by the weekend what's what.
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F. Must try harder.No confusion here buddy. I read a lot of threads without posting. Is that something else I'm not supposed to be doing, oh mighty oracle?
I'm afraid I find you spectacularly stupid. You've come here attempting to troll me and join in "with the other boys" and done what is really a piss poor job of it.
Yes, yes, I am absolutely sure that 4 or 5 80 second runs on an unfamiliar hill while under instruction is absolutely as hard on a car as a trackday and should definitely, definitely be considered the same.
You're a complete idiot mate.
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You say that but yet you seem to be going out of your way to antagonise me so which is it?Also, I never said it wouldn't be hard on the car at all. We'd not have discovered the issues that occurred at the top end of the rev range if it wasn't be driven hard, would we? But that being said, a few very short runs under instruction just don't compare to a trackday.
So, issues that we knew about..... Righto. The day the car went for the tuition day, the main issues as they stood:
Bent chassis leg
Gearbox oil leak
4th to 5th crunch
Steering sorted. Suspension replaced. Geometry done so that it was driving perfectly straight and the brakes were working absolutely fine. Same as pretty much all the other cars there that day then.
I'm not angry at all buddy, if anything I find it pretty funny how some people need to come onto a forum and try to belittle people to make themselves feel better. If the weather clears up a bit, go outside. Take a walk. It might make you feel better.
TroubledSoul said:
C70R said:
I want that minute of my life back please.
In other news, the longer you faff and procrastinate, the less chance there is of legal recourse. But, I have a funny feeling you're probably not going to bother anyway.
I've got a couple of things to do first. There's a possibility it's not actually as bad as I'd first feared, and despite what some of these lot may think, I don't particularly want to cause any trouble for the seller if I don't have to. In other news, the longer you faff and procrastinate, the less chance there is of legal recourse. But, I have a funny feeling you're probably not going to bother anyway.
I should know by the weekend what's what.
C70R said:
Ultimately, the point of buying as a consumer from a professional/trade seller is that it should cover you in the event that the car doesn't meet the required standards. The seller will know this, and you're hardly "making trouble" for him by asking for your consumer rights to be protected.
Agreed, but this is PH where mistakes are hammered home and support is in short supply 
I asked the guy about the issues. He claimed no knowledge. There are a couple of things I want to try to see if they improve things. If they don't I will speak with him again. Weirdly, despite everything, I do love the car.
TroubledSoul said:
C70R said:
Ultimately, the point of buying as a consumer from a professional/trade seller is that it should cover you in the event that the car doesn't meet the required standards. The seller will know this, and you're hardly "making trouble" for him by asking for your consumer rights to be protected.
Agreed, but this is PH where mistakes are hammered home and support is in short supply I asked the guy about the issues. He claimed no knowledge. There are a couple of things I want to try to see if they improve things. If they don't I will speak with him again. Weirdly, despite everything, I do love the car.
There's a chance, it's slim, but it's a chance, that it may actually be a bent wishbone. Granted, with the dent to the sill it is a very slim chance, but we will know soon enough.
If swapping them out confirms that it is 100% the shell then I'll be speaking to him about that. I just feel that it's an easy enough thing to try first. I'll be able to get a report from the specialist that did the suspension to confirm that it was bent when I got it etc. if there's any pissing about.
If swapping them out confirms that it is 100% the shell then I'll be speaking to him about that. I just feel that it's an easy enough thing to try first. I'll be able to get a report from the specialist that did the suspension to confirm that it was bent when I got it etc. if there's any pissing about.
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Here you go - proper training at a proper hill climb... http://www.harewoodhill.com/competitors/school/Vaud said:
Nanook said:
Regardless of whether or not we can call a hillclimb instructional day a motorsport event (I've never heard of instructional events at a hillclimb course. They're usually called 'fun days' or 'gymkhanas' and are just a free for all up the hill) I think we can all agree that finding out the gearbox is a big shagged, then sending the wife with the car to rag it up the local hillclimb anyway isn't terribly bright, yes?
Here you go - proper training at a proper hill climb... http://www.harewoodhill.com/competitors/school/Nanook said:
C70R said:
Vaud said:
Nanook said:
Regardless of whether or not we can call a hillclimb instructional day a motorsport event (I've never heard of instructional events at a hillclimb course. They're usually called 'fun days' or 'gymkhanas' and are just a free for all up the hill) I think we can all agree that finding out the gearbox is a big shagged, then sending the wife with the car to rag it up the local hillclimb anyway isn't terribly bright, yes?
Here you go - proper training at a proper hill climb... http://www.harewoodhill.com/competitors/school/It's just a bit sad to see your persistent niggling at the OP on the previous couple of pages. Like an unhappy school bully, desperate to get a reaction out of someone.
Hmm, reading the last few hours of this thread it seems to have gone downhill a bit (at least not at a hill-climb). Looking at other threads the OP has started it appears he has a history of attempting to buy cheap and then complaining when it goes wrong. I am with Nanook on this one.
C70R, we still have not seen any evidence that the car was not sold 'for spares or repair' which would make all of your points invalid. To me it would be fairly obvious that a car bought from a breaker is not going to be in a good condition simply because it would not have ended up at a breakers if it was good.
C70R, we still have not seen any evidence that the car was not sold 'for spares or repair' which would make all of your points invalid. To me it would be fairly obvious that a car bought from a breaker is not going to be in a good condition simply because it would not have ended up at a breakers if it was good.
KevinCamaroSS said:
Hmm, reading the last few hours of this thread it seems to have gone downhill a bit (at least not at a hill-climb). Looking at other threads the OP has started it appears he has a history of attempting to buy cheap and then complaining when it goes wrong. I am with Nanook on this one.
C70R, we still have not seen any evidence that the car was not sold 'for spares or repair' which would make all of your points invalid. To me it would be fairly obvious that a car bought from a breaker is not going to be in a good condition simply because it would not have ended up at a breakers if it was good.
So, the alternative is to go on a bullying witch-hunt, rather than take the OP at face value? C70R, we still have not seen any evidence that the car was not sold 'for spares or repair' which would make all of your points invalid. To me it would be fairly obvious that a car bought from a breaker is not going to be in a good condition simply because it would not have ended up at a breakers if it was good.
I love the internet sometimes.
Seems to be the way it works around here. Don't worry about them, I'm not.
As for past threads, well sorry. When I spent £10k on a 5 Series from a prestige dealer, I thought it would be close to perfect. I subsequently learnt that my expectations were unrealistic. I wouldn't have known that if I hadn't asked. Hardly a cheap car though.
Perhaps people should just bite their tongues and not seek information regarding their rights and what not?
I bought a car from a lad who is regarded as knowing his way around Subarus. Hardly turned up at the local scrappy to see what they had.
And if you check the breakers on Scoobynet, they ONLY buy top examples. I believe that completely invalidates your point.
As for past threads, well sorry. When I spent £10k on a 5 Series from a prestige dealer, I thought it would be close to perfect. I subsequently learnt that my expectations were unrealistic. I wouldn't have known that if I hadn't asked. Hardly a cheap car though.
Perhaps people should just bite their tongues and not seek information regarding their rights and what not?
I bought a car from a lad who is regarded as knowing his way around Subarus. Hardly turned up at the local scrappy to see what they had.
And if you check the breakers on Scoobynet, they ONLY buy top examples. I believe that completely invalidates your point.
Edited by TroubledSoul on Tuesday 11th October 15:17
C70R said:
To put a bit of balance to things, you do come across as a bit inept and helpless at times. You'd do well to research consumer law around car-buying.
Indeed. I do accept that and hold my hands up. Some cars I know exactly what to look for and have a good knowledge of them. Others not so much. In this case all I expected of the car was that the gearbox was as good as he said it was and for it to be straight. Anything else beyond that I didn't have any set in stone expectations of.
I also need to stop trusting people so much.
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