M20 footbridge.
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The problem here is elf and safety. I find it hard to believe they will need an entire weekend to remove the second section. I could do it in one night given the right tooling. This country amazes me with its inability to get things done quickly or efficiently.
The area where the bridge is located is in between two industrial areas mostly.
One simple option would be to get another truck and put something tall and solid on the back then simply drive it under the bridge and smack the b
d and it will come down. Close road at 8pm. Drive truck into bridge at 8.10pm. 8.30pm Start cutting into sections. Once on the ground get mobile cable concrete cutter to cut into sections. At a guess around 1 her per cut. 3 Sections is 3 hours in fact you could possibly simply cut it in two meaning 1 cut. By 1-2am bridge is gone.
Check road surface and repair if needed. Re open carriageway.
Why they need an entire weekend is utterly beyond me other than for h&s
The area where the bridge is located is in between two industrial areas mostly.
One simple option would be to get another truck and put something tall and solid on the back then simply drive it under the bridge and smack the b
d and it will come down. Close road at 8pm. Drive truck into bridge at 8.10pm. 8.30pm Start cutting into sections. Once on the ground get mobile cable concrete cutter to cut into sections. At a guess around 1 her per cut. 3 Sections is 3 hours in fact you could possibly simply cut it in two meaning 1 cut. By 1-2am bridge is gone.Check road surface and repair if needed. Re open carriageway.
Why they need an entire weekend is utterly beyond me other than for h&s
frankenstein12 said:
Why they need an entire weekend is utterly beyond me other than for h&s
They should call in the Chinese:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37228417
If the timings are in line with putting speed humps in a village, it will be half an hour's activity on the first morning, then 90 minutes on day two, ending 30 minutes before re-opening time.
When they speed humped my village a few years ago, we had five weeks of cones and traffic lights, for three days of actual work. Got to make a profit somehow.
When they speed humped my village a few years ago, we had five weeks of cones and traffic lights, for three days of actual work. Got to make a profit somehow.
Riley Blue said:
frankenstein12 said:
Why they need an entire weekend is utterly beyond me other than for h&s
They should call in the Chinese:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37228417
Cue them sending one of the guys back to the depot to get fuel which was something like a two+ hours round trip during which time they could do no work and since they had already driven an hour to site, had to wait 2 hours for the guy to go to the depot and back and had an hours drive home (oh and an hours lunch break) they were only going to have enough time to fill one pothole before having to pack up and go home again.
I had to change channels I was getting so angry. Its a petrol disc cutter. How do you not think to check you have fuel in one of the most important tools you will need all day before leaving the depot????
Why send the guy all the way to the depot and back when you could probably drive 5-10 minutes to the nearest petrol station and fill it at the station.
Utterly hopeless. I work in project management and any of my staff behaved like that they would get torn a new one or dismissed. I don't mind if you make a mistake but only do it once and learn from it and come up with a practical and useful way to correct it.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I wonder if the Chinese or us has the higher construction/demolition worker death rate? I don't know, but I'll have a wild stab in the dark and say it's the Chinese.
Well the Chinese but then there are more of hem than there are of us so...The reality is it is relative though.
People in the "West" lack basic common sense or risk assessment ability these days as they have been taught that everyone is responsible for their safety and things have been made so safe.
This means that in a situation where there is risk involved a chinese person would spot and assess and react to the risk better than someone from the UK for example.
To me standing on a swivel chair carries many risks.So if someone suggests I stand on a rolling swivel chair as its reasonably safe i would assess the risk (very quickly/automatically) It might roll and I fall. It could spin round and I could fall off. Someone could bump or push it etc.
To someone else used to the H&S mad rules they probably wont see those issues if told its fairly safe providing they can balance as they are used to being told what is and is not safe. They will just assume its safe enough to stand on and be surprised when they fall.
frankenstein12 said:
People in the "West" lack basic common sense or risk assessment ability these days as they have been taught that everyone is responsible for their safety and things have been made so safe.
I don't think that's true, we're just well into the "where there's blame there's a claim culture" I often deliver to Travis Perkins, their H&S is crazy. For starters i'm not allowed out of my van unless i'm wearing Hi Vis although any member of the public who have no idea of the dangers can walk across their yard from the street. They also insist on having someone see me back up despite the fact i have an HD reversing camera which i can see 10x more in than the mirrors i'll have to watch their banksman in.
Another place is a small warehouse, they tell me i have to wear my Hi Vis as they have a forklift. I can see the forklift, it's bright yellow, has a flashing light and beeps when it moves anywhere. Their argument once was i have to wear it in case the driver can't see me. If he can't see me then how the hell is he gonna see me in a Hi Vis jacket?!?
The best was a warehouse that housed cleaning materials, soap etc. I set foot in their once and was escorted out as i wasn't wearing gloves and safety goggles. I asked why and was told it was because of the chemicals, in case they exploded or fell off the racking!!! Has that ever happened i asked, not in 23 years was the answer
A lot of it is genuinely for your safety but the majority is just box ticking.
frankenstein12 said:
The problem here is elf and safety. I find it hard to believe they will need an entire weekend to remove the second section. I could do it in one night given the right tooling. This country amazes me with its inability to get things done quickly or efficiently.
The area where the bridge is located is in between two industrial areas mostly.
One simple option would be to get another truck and put something tall and solid on the back then simply drive it under the bridge and smack the bd and it will come down. Close road at 8pm. Drive truck into bridge at 8.10pm. 8.30pm Start cutting into sections. Once on the ground get mobile cable concrete cutter to cut into sections. At a guess around 1 her per cut. 3 Sections is 3 hours in fact you could possibly simply cut it in two meaning 1 cut. By 1-2am bridge is gone.
Check road surface and repair if needed. Re open carriageway.
Why they need an entire weekend is utterly beyond me other than for h&s
So, why not put a bid in and do it yourself then? Getting all of the equipment on site, then removing the bridge section, crushing it, carting it away, tidying up, checking the road surface and leaving the site in a weekend is pretty good going if you ask me. The area where the bridge is located is in between two industrial areas mostly.
One simple option would be to get another truck and put something tall and solid on the back then simply drive it under the bridge and smack the b
d and it will come down. Close road at 8pm. Drive truck into bridge at 8.10pm. 8.30pm Start cutting into sections. Once on the ground get mobile cable concrete cutter to cut into sections. At a guess around 1 her per cut. 3 Sections is 3 hours in fact you could possibly simply cut it in two meaning 1 cut. By 1-2am bridge is gone.Check road surface and repair if needed. Re open carriageway.
Why they need an entire weekend is utterly beyond me other than for h&s
Willy Nilly said:
So, why not put a bid in and do it yourself then? Getting all of the equipment on site, then removing the bridge section, crushing it, carting it away, tidying up, checking the road surface and leaving the site in a weekend is pretty good going if you ask me.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-37266850100 people on site...
Willy Nilly said:
frankenstein12 said:
The problem here is elf and safety. I find it hard to believe they will need an entire weekend to remove the second section. I could do it in one night given the right tooling. This country amazes me with its inability to get things done quickly or efficiently.
The area where the bridge is located is in between two industrial areas mostly.
One simple option would be to get another truck and put something tall and solid on the back then simply drive it under the bridge and smack the bd and it will come down. Close road at 8pm. Drive truck into bridge at 8.10pm. 8.30pm Start cutting into sections. Once on the ground get mobile cable concrete cutter to cut into sections. At a guess around 1 her per cut. 3 Sections is 3 hours in fact you could possibly simply cut it in two meaning 1 cut. By 1-2am bridge is gone.
Check road surface and repair if needed. Re open carriageway.
Why they need an entire weekend is utterly beyond me other than for h&s
So, why not put a bid in and do it yourself then? Getting all of the equipment on site, then removing the bridge section, crushing it, carting it away, tidying up, checking the road surface and leaving the site in a weekend is pretty good going if you ask me. The area where the bridge is located is in between two industrial areas mostly.
One simple option would be to get another truck and put something tall and solid on the back then simply drive it under the bridge and smack the b
d and it will come down. Close road at 8pm. Drive truck into bridge at 8.10pm. 8.30pm Start cutting into sections. Once on the ground get mobile cable concrete cutter to cut into sections. At a guess around 1 her per cut. 3 Sections is 3 hours in fact you could possibly simply cut it in two meaning 1 cut. By 1-2am bridge is gone.Check road surface and repair if needed. Re open carriageway.
Why they need an entire weekend is utterly beyond me other than for h&s
They have "crushed the bridge on site. Brought in kit to dismatle the entire bridge section into tiny little pieces. Whereas if you knock the entire thing down in one like the truck did it will take minutes from start to finish assuming using a similar method to the truck that knocked down the other half.
All you then need to do is section the bridge into two pieces. Load them onto lorries and take them away to be broken down elsewhere.
Breaking the bridge into tiny pieces on site is time consuming as not only do you have to break it into bits you have to load the bits into lorries, you then have to clear up all the small debris created by smashing into little bits. Knocking it down sectioning it and then carting the two or three sections off to be processed would be far quicker.
It is possible that they do not have the right kit available to do it that way of course. In terms of bidding to do it myself. There is no bidding to do it myself possiblity as it all falls under motorway maintenance groups remit. They wont put it out to tender they will simply send in one of their teams or maybe one of their pre approved contractors.
Don't know whether you've been following the original thread but this was how they knocked it down - almost as you requested:
https://www.facebook.com/Colin.Fox1994/videos/1015...
https://www.facebook.com/Colin.Fox1994/videos/1015...
frankenstein12 said:
It's ridiculous. I watched a short bit of one of those tv documentary series about the highways maintenance. A team of guys were sent out in a truck to repair potholes. Loaded there van drove to the first section of bad road set up mobile traffic lights and then discovered they didn't have enough fuel to run their disc cutter to cut around the holes.
Cue them sending one of the guys back to the depot to get fuel which was something like a two+ hours round trip during which time they could do no work and since they had already driven an hour to site, had to wait 2 hours for the guy to go to the depot and back and had an hours drive home (oh and an hours lunch break) they were only going to have enough time to fill one pothole before having to pack up and go home again.
I had to change channels I was getting so angry. Its a petrol disc cutter. How do you not think to check you have fuel in one of the most important tools you will need all day before leaving the depot????
Why send the guy all the way to the depot and back when you could probably drive 5-10 minutes to the nearest petrol station and fill it at the station.
Utterly hopeless. I work in project management and any of my staff behaved like that they would get torn a new one or dismissed. I don't mind if you make a mistake but only do it once and learn from it and come up with a practical and useful way to correct it.
TBF todays tv "documentries" seem to be stylised quasi-soap operas where everything goes wrong and theres allways a deadline theme they always allmost miss; its mostly bullcrap. Cue them sending one of the guys back to the depot to get fuel which was something like a two+ hours round trip during which time they could do no work and since they had already driven an hour to site, had to wait 2 hours for the guy to go to the depot and back and had an hours drive home (oh and an hours lunch break) they were only going to have enough time to fill one pothole before having to pack up and go home again.
I had to change channels I was getting so angry. Its a petrol disc cutter. How do you not think to check you have fuel in one of the most important tools you will need all day before leaving the depot????
Why send the guy all the way to the depot and back when you could probably drive 5-10 minutes to the nearest petrol station and fill it at the station.
Utterly hopeless. I work in project management and any of my staff behaved like that they would get torn a new one or dismissed. I don't mind if you make a mistake but only do it once and learn from it and come up with a practical and useful way to correct it.
frankenstein12 said:
Willy Nilly said:
frankenstein12 said:
The problem here is elf and safety. I find it hard to believe they will need an entire weekend to remove the second section. I could do it in one night given the right tooling. This country amazes me with its inability to get things done quickly or efficiently.
The area where the bridge is located is in between two industrial areas mostly.
One simple option would be to get another truck and put something tall and solid on the back then simply drive it under the bridge and smack the bd and it will come down. Close road at 8pm. Drive truck into bridge at 8.10pm. 8.30pm Start cutting into sections. Once on the ground get mobile cable concrete cutter to cut into sections. At a guess around 1 her per cut. 3 Sections is 3 hours in fact you could possibly simply cut it in two meaning 1 cut. By 1-2am bridge is gone.
Check road surface and repair if needed. Re open carriageway.
Why they need an entire weekend is utterly beyond me other than for h&s
So, why not put a bid in and do it yourself then? Getting all of the equipment on site, then removing the bridge section, crushing it, carting it away, tidying up, checking the road surface and leaving the site in a weekend is pretty good going if you ask me. The area where the bridge is located is in between two industrial areas mostly.
One simple option would be to get another truck and put something tall and solid on the back then simply drive it under the bridge and smack the b
d and it will come down. Close road at 8pm. Drive truck into bridge at 8.10pm. 8.30pm Start cutting into sections. Once on the ground get mobile cable concrete cutter to cut into sections. At a guess around 1 her per cut. 3 Sections is 3 hours in fact you could possibly simply cut it in two meaning 1 cut. By 1-2am bridge is gone.Check road surface and repair if needed. Re open carriageway.
Why they need an entire weekend is utterly beyond me other than for h&s
They have "crushed the bridge on site. Brought in kit to dismatle the entire bridge section into tiny little pieces. Whereas if you knock the entire thing down in one like the truck did it will take minutes from start to finish assuming using a similar method to the truck that knocked down the other half.
All you then need to do is section the bridge into two pieces. Load them onto lorries and take them away to be broken down elsewhere.
Breaking the bridge into tiny pieces on site is time consuming as not only do you have to break it into bits you have to load the bits into lorries, you then have to clear up all the small debris created by smashing into little bits. Knocking it down sectioning it and then carting the two or three sections off to be processed would be far quicker.
It is possible that they do not have the right kit available to do it that way of course. In terms of bidding to do it myself. There is no bidding to do it myself possiblity as it all falls under motorway maintenance groups remit. They wont put it out to tender they will simply send in one of their teams or maybe one of their pre approved contractors.
You should be in the demolition business.
Dogwatch said:
hairyben said:
TBF todays tv "documentries" seem to be stylised quasi-soap operas where everything goes wrong and theres allways a deadline theme they always allmost miss; its mostly bullcrap.
"But.......There's a problem."Irritates me too.
Eddie Stobart is the worst. I had no idea the Severn Crossing was so dangerous until I saw it on TV
CAPP0 said:
Don't know whether you've been following the original thread but this was how they knocked it down - almost as you requested:
https://www.facebook.com/Colin.Fox1994/videos/1015...
Now if they had placed a lorry underneath they could have loaded it as it came down and just driven off, job done.https://www.facebook.com/Colin.Fox1994/videos/1015...
I rode my bike up that neck of the woods yesterday - the A20 was gridlocked from Maidstone to Wrotham. I've never seen traffic like it so thank fk for the bike!
Its astonishing it apparently takes an entire weekend, but I did read that they were going to take advantage of the closure & carry out some other 'repair work'. Whatever that means....
As mentioned by others, surely this work could have been carried out in a morning? I saw on TV they had at least 3 peckers; it would have taken a couple of hours to cut down the concrete & break up all the rebar etc., & then another couple of hours to clear up & load into lorries??
k for the bike!Its astonishing it apparently takes an entire weekend, but I did read that they were going to take advantage of the closure & carry out some other 'repair work'. Whatever that means....
As mentioned by others, surely this work could have been carried out in a morning? I saw on TV they had at least 3 peckers; it would have taken a couple of hours to cut down the concrete & break up all the rebar etc., & then another couple of hours to clear up & load into lorries??
Willy Nilly said:
...because of course a 100 tonne plus piece of concrete 16 feet in the air will just leap on to the back of a flatbed and the driver of which will have no trouble what so ever taking it where ever it needs to be taken.
You should be in the demolition business.
Opened about 12 hrs early M20 closure to remove collapsed bridge ends 'ahead of schedule' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-37271071You should be in the demolition business.
If they say closed a day and it takes longer they'll be hell up with people complaining if they don't make alternative arrangements, at least opening it earlier than expected is better PR for the masses.
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