Blocked from overtaking

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Rude-boy

22,227 posts

233 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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AW111 said:
brrapp said:
yikes Not serious surely!!!
You pull out in front of someone who is already committed to overtaking you and he is the idiot? If he was two cars back and has already pulled and caught you up before you pull out in front of him then I think you need to look at your own driving/observation skills.
I mentioned the "slingshot" manoeuvre - when I pulled out, he hadn't pulled out (yet), but from the speed he was travelling when he arrived in my mirrors, had obviously started his run-up while still in the left lane a few cars back.

FWIW, I started to overtake as soon as the solid white line became broken, and yes, I did check before pulling out.
Knob was just in too much of a hurry to notice me as he tried to overtake 3 cars and a truck in one go.
There is also the chance that he had noticed you and thought that they would tag on. There a number of long straights around here where you can pass a number of vehicles without issue in one go. Sometimes you see the car behind the lorry pull out but no one else has you working the physics you know that if you start now from 4 cars back that by the time they are just about to pull back in you will be arriving on their bumper with time to overtake them or slot in behind.

This discounts the 10's of times I have started an overtake (lorry, 3 or 4 cars, none of them has made the slightest sign of being about to overtake even though they could have started their move before you could even see yours would be clear) and some prune has hit the indicator and pulled out in front of me without looking at all or properly in their mirror. It's only when i am alongside them that it exercises me these days...

Bottom line if you are in a queue and you are looking to overtake make sure that you have studied the road language of those behind as well as those in front to get the best tells as to what they might do.

And never forget that no matter how fast you think you are going their is always someone quicker, and they might be coming up behind you on their SuperfurrybladeabusaSS.

surveyor_101

5,069 posts

179 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Bank holiday cockwombales!

Similar thing happen to me on 50mph stretch.

Guy pull out of garden centre which was a little close to me but would of been ok if he had put his foot down but he acceraltered to 30mph in a 50! So I had to brake 20mph off seconds after he pulls out.

Makes no attempt to get to 50 and stays at 30 in 50.

Get to national and he goes a whole 40mph so once oncommings die down I drop a cog and get along side and the guy if laughing his tale off! He then proceeds to match his speed to mine and does 60mph no problem!

LunarOne

5,179 posts

137 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Biker 1 said:
I check mirrors, indicate, drop it a cog, pull-out & floor it.
I get this on the A30 between Egham and Bagshot all the time. Stuck behind losers who don't understand the meaning of or don't care about the NSL sign. The number of times I'm stuck trundling along at 32MPH behind a queue of cars following some old womble driving a Honda Jazz with a National Trust sticker in the back window - arghhh!

I'd just say that if you think an overtaking opportunity might soon arise, why not drop a cog then? Saves a precious second, and then you can have the engine already spinning faster and if applicable to you, closer to being fully on boost. You can pull away much more quickly if you're already in the right gear for maximum acceleration.

Oh yes, and I'd also add that a car used for local commuting only is the perfect excuse to have a gas-guzzling rocketship. It's when you have a long commute that it makes sense to think about fuel economy. If you're only doing a few miles a day, why not do them in something with a bit of welly under the bonnet? I do 50 miles a day and scrape 30MPG on average. I could easily double my economy figure by using some dull as ditchwater small diesel, but I spend a significant proportion of my non-working day in the car and I want that time to be as amusing as possible within reason. Perhaps you should look into an E36 M3!

Biker 1

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7,729 posts

119 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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LunarOne said:
Perhaps you should look into an E36 M3!
Its the missus car. Much as I like the idea, her commute is 10 minutes tops, & I shudder to think of her driving an M3 with high heels yikes

johnwilliams77

8,308 posts

103 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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SystemParanoia said:
I Had a blocker this morning on a country lane.

The way he was driving caused me to pre-judge him before knowing for sure, but he had a 330d so a bit of oopmh that could leave me hanging ( 1.3 litre rolling sheddy skip of crap here )

I had dropped back several lengths and closed the gap at full throttle before sling shotting past when there was no more than a rizzla paper gap between our bumpers.

he then booted it when he realised what was happening ( tell tale black cloud of soot and ash ) , but momentum was on my side and i was passed ( just! ) - he can go fk himself!
You sure showed him!

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

198 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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johnwilliams77 said:
SystemParanoia said:
I Had a blocker this morning on a country lane.

The way he was driving caused me to pre-judge him before knowing for sure, but he had a 330d so a bit of oopmh that could leave me hanging ( 1.3 litre rolling sheddy skip of crap here )

I had dropped back several lengths and closed the gap at full throttle before sling shotting past when there was no more than a rizzla paper gap between our bumpers.

he then booted it when he realised what was happening ( tell tale black cloud of soot and ash ) , but momentum was on my side and i was passed ( just! ) - he can go fk himself!
You sure showed him!
Not really, i got to do my thing.. and he got to go back to doddering about doing his thing.. everyone wins.

what he seemed to want is to have as long a que of cars behind him as possible whilst doddering along not even trying to do the speed limit. I allowed him to pursue that end in his own time without involving me any longer than I had to.

personally, if someone want to make progress faster than me, ill let them past... id rather them make their mistake away from me somewhere else, than into the back of me whilst getting wound up and frustrated at my pace.

MarcelM6

539 posts

106 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Having been brought up with a more 'continental' attitiude to speed I am constantly amazed by the juvenile behaviour of drivers in the UK.

I find British drivers very courteous and polite when driving in town, but show them an A or M road and they become different people. Almost as if they become the speed police and feel they own the patch of road they are driving on. Refusal to drive at NSL, then when they get overtaken (safely), flashing headlights and shaking fists, sometimes even accelerating up to my rear bumper.

Just don't get it, if someone safely overtakes you, leave them alone - its not a contest after all.


Atomic12C

5,180 posts

217 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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MarcelM6 said:
...flashing headlights and shaking fists,....
As opposed to the continental drivers who do the above before overtaking whilst sat 0.5cm from the vehicle in front wink

I know each country has its own inbred behaviours.

Germany - approach car in front at 120mph+ whilst flashing lights to say "I have priority here, move over". Then even if car in front is in the process of overtaking the next step is to close the gap to 0.5cm to show intention of "get the fook out of my way". Once car in front has been intimidated enough its then a process of accelerating as fast as possible to the next car that is using lane 2 on the autobahn.

France - rag the shyte out of your 1.1L 3-door badly built hatchback in order to keep pace with other traffic; to show intention of wanting to get past a car in front the tactic employed is to swerve around on the road so that you appear to be a psychotic individual who has run out of medication whilst on the breach of an epileptic fit. Road markings are totally meaningless and the car in front is intimidated to move out of the way whether this is from lane 1 or lane 2 in order the overtaking vehicle can pass.

Italy - literally make up your own rules as you drive. No consistency demonstrated by the indigenous population in how to pass a vehicle, ranging from sitting 0.1cm from the vehicle in front to basically using the hard shoulder to pass. Main tactic employed within this country to show intention of passing is extensive use of body language which includes an unusual amount of facial expressions in combination with both shoulder shrugging and frantic waving of arms and clenched fist(s).


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Edited by Atomic12C on Tuesday 30th August 15:47

DMN

2,983 posts

139 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Had some one slow down, indicate and wave my wife past yesterday.

So there are still some decent folk out there.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

118 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Biker 1 said:
LunarOne said:
Perhaps you should look into an E36 M3!
Its the missus car. Much as I like the idea, her commute is 10 minutes tops, & I shudder to think of her driving an M3 with high heels yikes
But the idea was to buy a FAST car.....

laugh

Biker 1

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7,729 posts

119 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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xjay1337 said:
But the idea was to buy a FAST car.....

laugh
Anything over 1100cc, normally aspirated, is too fast for her.... paperbag

SilverSixer

8,202 posts

151 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Biker 1 said:
its possible to overtake, even with oncoming traffic
fk me. Really? Point me to the section of the Highway Code which endorses this. I'm sure the bit I've read says that overtaking into oncoming traffic is not recommended.

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

186 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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SilverSixer said:
Biker 1 said:
its possible to overtake, even with oncoming traffic
fk me. Really? Point me to the section of the Highway Code which endorses this. I'm sure the bit I've read says that overtaking into oncoming traffic is not recommended.
There was a bit of the A303 - Ilminster bypass - that used to be like this, and everyone did what Biker 1 describes.

Alex_225

6,261 posts

201 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Johnnytheboy said:
Some people think a line of cars is a queue, and that any overtaking is "jumping the queue".
I could only assume it's this that it's seen as some kind of queue jumping. You'd have to have some serious inferiority issues if you wouldn't let someone overtake just for the sake of it. Then again people are most odd.

Fortunately I've not been in a position where this has happened to me but I have passed people perfectly safely and they then stick their main beam on!! Morons!

Biker 1

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7,729 posts

119 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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SilverSixer said:
fk me. Really? Point me to the section of the Highway Code which endorses this. I'm sure the bit I've read says that overtaking into oncoming traffic is not recommended.
Probably not explained myself clearly: road is very wide - I have seen lorries on this section in BOTH directions, being overtaken simultaneously, with plenty of room for error, not crossing the centre lines, & apparently not dangerous. Strange that they never turned it into a dual carriageway...
As for highway code: I don't know the answer to this one

Johnnytheboy

24,498 posts

186 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Alex_225 said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Some people think a line of cars is a queue, and that any overtaking is "jumping the queue".
I could only assume it's this that it's seen as some kind of queue jumping. You'd have to have some serious inferiority issues if you wouldn't let someone overtake just for the sake of it. Then again people are most odd.

Fortunately I've not been in a position where this has happened to me but I have passed people perfectly safely and they then stick their main beam on!! Morons!
The analogy I use is that it's not like a queue, it's more like walking down a pavement.

If someone was walking down the pavement behind you and wanted to go past, you wouldn't try to stop them, so why do it when driving.

DanSI

139 posts

142 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Biker 1 said:
rolleyes If only!!!! Sadly funds do not permit - wife's car, normally used for local commuting, so no point in having high powered gas guzzler.... I have a motorcycle & old stter of a Honda for when the weather's bad to commute!
Perhaps it was for the best. I'd just get an earful for "trying to race" (from OUR passenger seat), plus not to forget, my family are sat in the back (children)! Why do you care, you got to your destination safely, if several seconds later. wink

llewop

3,588 posts

211 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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SilverSixer said:
fk me. Really? Point me to the section of the Highway Code which endorses this. I'm sure the bit I've read says that overtaking into oncoming traffic is not recommended.
whilst I wouldn't disagree with you, the wider bypass roads that have been built over the years tend to encourage it. A303 Yeovilton bypass being a classic, until it had to be constrained to a mile or two turn each way due to the many head on collisions of those trying the same trick at the same time as each other in opposite directions.

A507 Stotfold bypass is another one - see below. I don't think I have ever been along it without someone using the invisible centre lane....

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.010223,-0.243628...

in fact I think the GTV in shot is about to do exactly that from the indicator....


Biker 1

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7,729 posts

119 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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DanSI said:
Why do you care, you got to your destination safely, if several seconds later. wink
Why?? Isn't that a bit of non-PH thing to say???? I went for a simple overtake & was blocked by unacceptably poor driving, endangering me & other road users. I could've played 'chicken' with said wker, which could have got potentially very nasty, particularly involving several tonnes of metal 'competing' on a public road. Fortunately I know when to back-off - other may not have done....

DanSI

139 posts

142 months

Tuesday 30th August 2016
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Biker 1 said:
Why?? Isn't that a bit of non-PH thing to say???? I went for a simple overtake & was blocked by unacceptably poor driving, endangering me & other road users. I could've played 'chicken' with said wker, which could have got potentially very nasty, particularly involving several tonnes of metal 'competing' on a public road. Fortunately I know when to back-off - other may not have done....
Sorry OP, I apologize to everyone for not responding F'ing and blinding, because your litre car failed to overtake a Bimmer.
Plus it's been how many hours since this catastrophic event occurred?

Get over it, or get a faster car! thumbup