Blocked from overtaking
Discussion
NinjaPower said:
rb5er said:
Get a much faster car.
Is the correct answer.I personally find the advantage to having a car that will do 174mph is that overtaking becomes a delight. Even when you come up behind a queue of cars all sitting behind a slow vehicle because their drivers are all convinced they don't have enough power to make it past, you just drop it a cog or two and obliterate a line of 5-10 cars in a few seconds, leaving a queue of people sitting in cars full of boiling piss. It truly is a great feeling.
Better still when when I had bikes. A litre bike would make mincemeat out of the longest traffic queue that was stuck behind bus/tractor/truck/caravan.
As for morons like the OP described, well if you think they have just booted it to stop you passing, you simply floor it further and watch them fall well behind. Incredibly satisfying.
Your 450 BHP now has you in serious trouble because you have nowhere to go other than straight into him, and your terminal velocity is likely to be very high, probably touching 100 plus.
Think about that the next time you want to attempt a multiple overtake on a single carriageway driven by a line of muppets. I see this every year up in Scotland, particularly amongst bikers who are totally vulnerable in a collision.
J
Edited by jith on Wednesday 31st August 16:56
jith said:
Your 450 BHP now has you in serious trouble because you have nowhere to go other than straight into him, and your terminal velocity is likely to be very high, probably touching 100 plus.
Think about that the next time you want to attempt a multiple overtake on a single track road driven by a line of muppets. I see this every year up in Scotland, particularly amongst bikers who are totally vulnerable in a collision.
J
But he's a Cager, sat in his little 450bhp/174mph bubble, he's not on a motorcycle, he's not thinking he's going to get hurt while overtaking the line of cars. He's only thinking of his own little ego, how cool he THINKS he is, by pulling off such a maneuver, overtaking a line of cars at double their speed...Think about that the next time you want to attempt a multiple overtake on a single track road driven by a line of muppets. I see this every year up in Scotland, particularly amongst bikers who are totally vulnerable in a collision.
J
He's obviously not thinking about the well being of the other vehicle occupants, potential pedestrians, or cyclists who might pop out from the hedge further up the road, should bad judgement (or losing control of all those ponies) result in a smash. Oh but this if Piston Heads, so he's cool, right?
As such, you are wasting your time trying to reason with such a person, Jith.
DanSI said:
jith said:
Your 450 BHP now has you in serious trouble because you have nowhere to go other than straight into him, and your terminal velocity is likely to be very high, probably touching 100 plus.
Think about that the next time you want to attempt a multiple overtake on a single track road driven by a line of muppets. I see this every year up in Scotland, particularly amongst bikers who are totally vulnerable in a collision.
J
But he's a Cager, sat in his little 450bhp/174mph bubble, he's not on a motorcycle, he's not thinking he's going to get hurt while overtaking the line of cars. He's only thinking of his own little ego, how cool he THINKS he is, by pulling off such a maneuver, overtaking a line of cars at double their speed...Think about that the next time you want to attempt a multiple overtake on a single track road driven by a line of muppets. I see this every year up in Scotland, particularly amongst bikers who are totally vulnerable in a collision.
J
He's obviously not thinking about the well being of the other vehicle occupants, potential pedestrians, or cyclists who might pop out from the hedge further up the road, should bad judgement (or losing control of all those ponies) result in a smash. Oh but this if Piston Heads, so he's cool, right?
As such, you are wasting your time trying to reason with such a person, Jith.
I find that nothing makes people speed up as much as gently drifting alongside them in the middle or slow lane.
You have some idiot sitting in the wrong lane for no apparent reason and you gently pull alongside them on the left hand side. They suddenly find another gear and off they go !
You have some idiot sitting in the wrong lane for no apparent reason and you gently pull alongside them on the left hand side. They suddenly find another gear and off they go !
jith said:
Think about that the next time you want to attempt a multiple overtake on a single track road driven by a line of muppets. I see this every year up in Scotland, particularly amongst bikers who are totally vulnerable in a collision.
J
It would be very difficult to do any overtake on a single track road!J
AW111 said:
I mentioned the "slingshot" maneuvre - when I pulled out, he hadn't pulled out (yet), but from the speed he was travelling when he arrived in my mirrors, had obviously started his run-up while still in the left lane a few cars back.
FWIW, I started to overtake as soon as the solid white line became broken, and yes, I did check before pulling out.
Knob was just in too much of a hurry to notice me as he tried to overtake 3 cars and a truck in one go.
I overtook 3 cars and a tractor last year, I was in a SEAT Cupra 280. That car gives you confidence to perform a multicar overtake. FWIW, I started to overtake as soon as the solid white line became broken, and yes, I did check before pulling out.
Knob was just in too much of a hurry to notice me as he tried to overtake 3 cars and a truck in one go.
I followed for a mile or two with no cars overtaking so I indicated and off I went. It's quite risky but a glance at the satnav gives clue as to junctions ahead, you have to watch your speed, look ahead, see if any cars are about to pull out on you and make sure you have enough road to make it.
Thankfully I've never been blocked from overtaking or had a chap speed up but I saw it happen last week. 60 zone, B road, straight ahead, a Focus is travelling at around 45-50 mph. I was behind a Corsa with the Focus in front of him. The Corsa pulled out to overtake the Focus, the Focus sped up and both cars were accelerating together, I fell back as I thought the Corsa was about to pull in, probably thinking he'd cleared the other car, he managed to squeeze in, just, forcing the Focus to break hard.
I couldn't believe what I was seeing, it was fking stupid. Had they collided I would have gone to court to give a statement, stupid thinking from the Focus driver, why do people think that's the correct thing to do. It still makes me angry thinking about it.
matchmaker said:
jith said:
Think about that the next time you want to attempt a multiple overtake on a single track road driven by a line of muppets. I see this every year up in Scotland, particularly amongst bikers who are totally vulnerable in a collision.
J
It would be very difficult to do any overtake on a single track road!J
J
ModernAndy said:
Rule 168
Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.
The normal speed on the A49 is around 45mph, cars bunch up but NOBODY overtakes, you see 6-7 cars all trundling along so all you can do is pick them off one by oneBeing overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.
Saturday I was on my way to oulton park, range rover being followed by a van with an old fart in it both doing 45, I overtook the van, pulled in, didn't need to brake hard to get it , had the roof down, over the stereo I could hear a sound, this old fart had his hand on the horn for 30-40 seconds, I looked in the mirror to see him giving me the F off looking like he was about to have a heart attack
I'd overtaken a van on a broken white line, under the speed limit but it really upset him
I get it all the time in my works transit. Women today on M74 in lane one doing 65mph I came up and went to overtake at about 75mph. She sped up and I had to eventually go up to 85mph to get by her
She then slowed back down as I drew away from her at 75mph again.
Annoys me as I will get a dig from fleet for going over 80mph.
But if I sat behind her we'd both be doing 65mph the whole time.
Also had the scenario heading up to Skye in my CRV for a week's campion and speed built up approaching a line of 4/5 cars and caravans. Pulled out and halfway through overtake the foreign converted transit on Dutch plates decided to overtake as I was next to him with no indicators.
Luckily I saw him and pulled over just in verge on right resulting in only my wing mirror glass breaking and not the whole side of the car ripped off.
He waved an apology and I couldn't be ersed stopping as the CRV is that old and battered anyway ( new glass was peanuts). Would have been hassle trying to sort it out etc.
Scotland end of July August is crazy mental with foreigners and people not really used to driving long distances with every spare inch of car full of crap leaving next to no visibility.
She then slowed back down as I drew away from her at 75mph again.
Annoys me as I will get a dig from fleet for going over 80mph.
But if I sat behind her we'd both be doing 65mph the whole time.
Also had the scenario heading up to Skye in my CRV for a week's campion and speed built up approaching a line of 4/5 cars and caravans. Pulled out and halfway through overtake the foreign converted transit on Dutch plates decided to overtake as I was next to him with no indicators.
Luckily I saw him and pulled over just in verge on right resulting in only my wing mirror glass breaking and not the whole side of the car ripped off.
He waved an apology and I couldn't be ersed stopping as the CRV is that old and battered anyway ( new glass was peanuts). Would have been hassle trying to sort it out etc.
Scotland end of July August is crazy mental with foreigners and people not really used to driving long distances with every spare inch of car full of crap leaving next to no visibility.
wack said:
ModernAndy said:
Rule 168
Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.
The normal speed on the A49 is around 45mph, cars bunch up but NOBODY overtakes, you see 6-7 cars all trundling along so all you can do is pick them off one by oneBeing overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.
Saturday I was on my way to oulton park, range rover being followed by a van with an old fart in it both doing 45, I overtook the van, pulled in, didn't need to brake hard to get it , had the roof down, over the stereo I could hear a sound, this old fart had his hand on the horn for 30-40 seconds, I looked in the mirror to see him giving me the F off looking like he was about to have a heart attack
I'd overtaken a van on a broken white line, under the speed limit but it really upset him
Ken Figenus said:
Atomic12C said:
As opposed to the continental drivers who do the above before overtaking whilst sat 0.5cm from the vehicle in front
I know each country has its own inbred behaviours.
Germany - approach car in front at 120mph+ whilst flashing lights to say "I have priority here, move over". Then even if car in front is in the process of overtaking the next step is to close the gap to 0.5cm to show intention of "get the fook out of my way". Once car in front has been intimidated enough its then a process of accelerating as fast as possible to the next car that is using lane 2 on the autobahn.
France - rag the shyte out of your 1.1L 3-door badly built hatchback in order to keep pace with other traffic; to show intention of wanting to get past a car in front the tactic employed is to swerve around on the road so that you appear to be a psychotic individual who has run out of medication whilst on the breach of an epileptic fit. Road markings are totally meaningless and the car in front is intimidated to move out of the way whether this is from lane 1 or lane 2 in order the overtaking vehicle can pass.
YES! I find it all a bit strange at times. Waiting patiently to get past a car on the unrestricted autobahn, nice safety distance, only a matter of 20" to wait till he clears the middle lane car and will undoubtedly pull in BUT you now have Johnny Big Balls with his Disco Lights on your bumper being 'held up'. Johnny feels wronged but I don't really understand that. I too put my left indicator on to suggest the bleedin' obvious that I too want to get past, although am being less of a disco d1ck about it! And then when the vehicle in front clears back to the right its very tempting to give the huggy flasher both banks of 6 in his earholes and gallop off to the sunset! However I do still wonder if its me that is breaking their protocol in their land - maybe someone with more German driving experience could comment? I know each country has its own inbred behaviours.
Germany - approach car in front at 120mph+ whilst flashing lights to say "I have priority here, move over". Then even if car in front is in the process of overtaking the next step is to close the gap to 0.5cm to show intention of "get the fook out of my way". Once car in front has been intimidated enough its then a process of accelerating as fast as possible to the next car that is using lane 2 on the autobahn.
France - rag the shyte out of your 1.1L 3-door badly built hatchback in order to keep pace with other traffic; to show intention of wanting to get past a car in front the tactic employed is to swerve around on the road so that you appear to be a psychotic individual who has run out of medication whilst on the breach of an epileptic fit. Road markings are totally meaningless and the car in front is intimidated to move out of the way whether this is from lane 1 or lane 2 in order the overtaking vehicle can pass.
big case a few years ago where 'Turbo Ralf', a Merc test driver, inimidated a girl in Ka to get out of the way, she veered off, crashed and died
Polizei take a very dim view of it nowadays
wack said:
The normal speed on the A49 is around 45mph, cars bunch up but NOBODY overtakes, you see 6-7 cars all trundling along so all you can do is pick them off one by one
Lucky you. In most cases the muppets following the lead vehicle don't leave anything like enough room to do this. It means you have either do the lot in one go or resign yourself to becoming part of the camel train. If nobody can pass it doesn't take long for it to double in size. If those who don't want/are too afraid to overtake would leave adequate gaps the frustration level would decrease dramatically and there would be far fewer 'OMG!' moments. Hugo a Gogo said:
very rare I've ever see a 'flasher' in Germany
big case a few years ago where 'Turbo Ralf', a Merc test driver, inimidated a girl in Ka to get out of the way, she veered off, crashed and died
Polizei take a very dim view of it nowadays
Hadn't heard about that. Wasn't hard to find though:big case a few years ago where 'Turbo Ralf', a Merc test driver, inimidated a girl in Ka to get out of the way, she veered off, crashed and died
Polizei take a very dim view of it nowadays
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/g...
Hugo a Gogo said:
very rare I've ever see a 'flasher' in Germany
big case a few years ago where 'Turbo Ralf', a Merc test driver, inimidated a girl in Ka to get out of the way, she veered off, crashed and died
Polizei take a very dim view of it nowadays
Yes to be fair you are right - I was more about the indicator, but I did get a flash of headlamps the once - charming at almost a ton big case a few years ago where 'Turbo Ralf', a Merc test driver, inimidated a girl in Ka to get out of the way, she veered off, crashed and died
Polizei take a very dim view of it nowadays
. I think the sort of headlamp action that is meant to intimidate, as you say, is taken a very dim view of in Germany and they will prosecute. Personal responsibility rather than dumbing ever down... DanSI said:
jith said:
Your 450 BHP now has you in serious trouble because you have nowhere to go other than straight into him, and your terminal velocity is likely to be very high, probably touching 100 plus.
Think about that the next time you want to attempt a multiple overtake on a single track road driven by a line of muppets. I see this every year up in Scotland, particularly amongst bikers who are totally vulnerable in a collision.
J
But he's a Cager, sat in his little 450bhp/174mph bubble, he's not on a motorcycle, he's not thinking he's going to get hurt while overtaking the line of cars. He's only thinking of his own little ego, how cool he THINKS he is, by pulling off such a maneuver, overtaking a line of cars at double their speed...Think about that the next time you want to attempt a multiple overtake on a single track road driven by a line of muppets. I see this every year up in Scotland, particularly amongst bikers who are totally vulnerable in a collision.
J
He's obviously not thinking about the well being of the other vehicle occupants, potential pedestrians, or cyclists who might pop out from the hedge further up the road, should bad judgement (or losing control of all those ponies) result in a smash. Oh but this if Piston Heads, so he's cool, right?
As such, you are wasting your time trying to reason with such a person, Jith.
Did you miss the bit where I said I had 'litre bikes' as well as cars?
I have ridden both bikes and cars for a quite a few years now, so I know exactly what the dangers are on both sides.
OP - wait until you experience the nob in the sub £200 car who pulls over the white line to block you whilst you're overtaking but he (presumably) underestimates your speed and causes a crash.
When the Police arrive they explain that you should "maintain a safe stopping distance at all times" quite how you do this when overtaking seems to escape them.
Enjoy the Speed Awareness Course they offer despite there being no evidence that speed had anything to do with it.
Bitter ? me ?
25 years later - yes I am.
When the Police arrive they explain that you should "maintain a safe stopping distance at all times" quite how you do this when overtaking seems to escape them.
Enjoy the Speed Awareness Course they offer despite there being no evidence that speed had anything to do with it.
Bitter ? me ?
25 years later - yes I am.
Edited by V8RX7 on Friday 2nd September 23:06
rev-erend said:
Ah, the A272.
A hard road to over take on for sure .. very few oportunities unless you are on a motor bike and even then its not so easy.
Sometimes just better to enjoy the scenery on that road.
About which a book has been written.A hard road to over take on for sure .. very few oportunities unless you are on a motor bike and even then its not so easy.
Sometimes just better to enjoy the scenery on that road.
Have known that road with all its lovely swoopy bends all my life. Best driven between 1am & 4am & Christmas Day/Boxing Day before 9am.
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