Greedy Police

[singlecoil]

pinchmeimdreamin said:

Digby said:

I have just been reading yet another tale of number plate recognition cock ups. It involved who knows how many drivers being fined with the police admiting it happens a lot to one of the drivers who fought back.

Care to share the link ?

although in this case (only) I wouldn't be surprised if the link actually exists, but I expect it won't turn out to be such a juicy tale as portrayed above

[Terminator X]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-36795886

Not hard to find surely?

TX.

[RobinOakapple]

You've missed the point

RO

[pinchmeimdreamin]

Terminator X said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-36795886

Not hard to find surely?

TX.

What does that have to do with number plate recognition cock ups ?

That's the Highways agency messing up paperwork.

[Terminator X]

pinchmeimdreamin said:

What does that have to do with number plate recognition cock ups ?

That's the Highways agency messing up paperwork.

Ah ok, here you go then again not hard to find:

http://www.keepmeontheroad.co.uk/snapping-at-anpr-...

TX.

[singlecoil]

Terminator X said:

pinchmeimdreamin said:

What does that have to do with number plate recognition cock ups ?

That's the Highways agency messing up paperwork.

Ah ok, here you go then again not hard to find:

http://www.keepmeontheroad.co.uk/snapping-at-anpr-...

TX.

I think the point Mr Apple was making earlier is that whether the link is hard to find or not is not the point, the point is that the person making the assertions should provide the link, not expect others to.

And by the way, it's not a very good story if Digby wants to prove the accusations he's made time and time again.

"Former Special Constable Paul received an apology and claims police admitted it was a common error"

So just a claim then. And for the police to even know that it was an error they would have to know of similar cases where the system was found to be fallible, and the appropriate action taken just as it was in this case.

[Greendubber]

I think the original point was people getting prosecuted for driving below the limit by speed cameras, something Digby claimed, not reports regarding ANPR misreads and people not being prosecuted due to a technical error.

[Digby]

Terminator X said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-36795886

Not hard to find surely?

TX.

That's a new one for me, I shall add it to the growing list

Anyone forced to crawl along that road at 40 mph for five miles mostly without a clue as to why, would have been glad to hear this news.

It's another one of those 'screw over the Brits and let off all the Foreigners' roads, that one.

I seem to remember a few local officials asking for an end to the 40 mph madness, too.

[Terminator X]

Greendubber said:

I think the original point was people getting prosecuted for driving below the limit by speed cameras, something Digby claimed, not reports regarding ANPR misreads and people not being prosecuted due to a technical error.

I see, well here you go then again not hard to find:

https://www.sundaypost.com/news/scottish-news/crit...

TX.

[RobinOakapple]

Terminator X said:

I see, well here you go then again not hard to find:

https://www.sundaypost.com/news/scottish-news/crit...

TX.

You are still missing the point. Digby is being pulled up on his persistent failure to provide support for the, to put it mildly, ridiculous claims he has being making. It's lazy and rude of him to continually insist that those who disagree with him should search for material to support his position.

RO.

[singlecoil]

Terminator X said:

Greendubber said:

I think the original point was people getting prosecuted for driving below the limit by speed cameras, something Digby claimed, not reports regarding ANPR misreads and people not being prosecuted due to a technical error.

I see, well here you go then again not hard to find:

https://www.sundaypost.com/news/scottish-news/crit...

TX.

"critics, claims, allegations, lawyer, yellow vultures, victims,"

Usual crowd pleasing stuff. Funnily enough, the rest of the article contains a strong endorsement for the use of speed cameras-

"They made their way north to Scotland in 2005 and have since been installed on major roads up and down the country, including the M74, A90 and A77. Last year, 102 were put up at 50 locations on the 138-mile stretch of the A9 between Dunblane and Inverness. The controversial move followed the death of three people, including a woman and her young daughter.

Since the introduction of the cameras on the A9, nearly 6,000 motorists have been caught speeding. And there were no fatal accidents on the road in July, August, September and October for the first time since 1992.

[Digby]

Terminator X said:

I see, well here you go then again not hard to find:

https://www.sundaypost.com/news/scottish-news/crit...

TX.

That's a new one to me, too!!

Isn't it amazing how many tales their are of such things. How hard can it be to not fine innocent motorists?

There have been thousands upon thousands of drivers fined for no reason and if you look worldwide, probably millions.

What a wonderful system.

As for the A9, apparently out of 100,000 accidents, only 2% were due to speeding (I think that means Scottish Roads in general). Until it is completed and becomes a DC in 2025, it seems speeing up HGV's (something myself and others suggested would cause leass accidents - but which was shot down in flames by many on here - suck it up, chaps!) has helped the statistics. Many issues relate to foreign trucks on the wrong side of the road and right turns etc, so obviously, the best solution is to slap in a load of cameras. And it's even better when those cameras catch innocent people obeying the law

Edited by Digby on Tuesday 20th September 16:48

[Ken Figenus]

I think this chat is something of a car crash but I do sympathise with your 2% speeding actual stat (but no link).

A similar response to accidents, is, by now, a permanent 'temporary' 50mph on this bit of M4 motorway where the driver had a heart malfunction- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7142443.stm I also (literally) rescued a woman and a baby from a car that was atop the central reservation in the exact same spot about 4 years ago and drove them to a safe spot - van driver didn't look changing lanes and side swiped her. But its all about speed of course - albeit that is not my life experience. Still they will claim the regression to the mean fact is due to their panacea cameras' total brilliance...

I don't mind the cameras its the BS and skewing I don't like!

[Digby]

Ken Figenus said:

Still they will claim the regression to the mean fact is due to their panacea cameras' total brilliance...

Quite. 'no fatal accidents on the road in July, August, September and October for the first time since 1992'

Well, apparently it's since 2007 and not 1992.

There were still six people killed which is apparently "an increase of one on the baseline average of 5.5 fatal accidents"

According to one campaigner, the SNP and Transport Scotland are simply trying to save their reputations rather than admit they got it wrong. There has been an increase in like for like accidents on certain parts, a rise in fatalities, large increases in journey times and a rise in people caught speeding. Local businesses have complained they are losing money and contracts and stats are skewed by including Dunblane to Perth in the equation.

I read on one of the Gov stat pages that you have to bear in mind that severe weather plays a part in certain sections relating to accident rates / stats and that the number of drivers being caught by cameras also includes emergency vehicles.

[Ken Figenus]

The truth must out mate! But realise you are dealing with number crunchers - many with vested interests (this is how many pay the mortgage after all!) so feed them numbers - ones that crunch them!!! Just corroborate it or your altruistic efforts absolutely fail

[Digby]

Ken Figenus said:

Just corroborate it or your altruistic efforts absolutely fail

It's a waste of time regardless. Look at the tactics used above. Playground stuff.

Look how it all suddenly stops when someone realises they are wrong.

As I mentioned earlier, when you can actually show a system has some dodgy characters involved in places and money often comes before safety and as a result, you get told "So what if it is all about money?" by someone who keeps trying to defend the system, really, what is the point? What will they do with the info?

They do what they do above. Silly gif files and personal attacks etc. I love it that way becuase it shows everyone they have nothing left in the speed camera armoury.

The fact it winds them all up just shows the types of characters you are dealing with. A two second google search vs pages and pages of moaning

[Ken Figenus]

You have to fight fire with fire mate - think of it as rock/paper/scissors. No point going in with a Bazooka as you will lose The whole system is BASED on skewed self serving statistics and manipulation. Its often how the public sector operates (or not - as it doesn't remotely count if you cancel an operation 25 hours before its due as opposed to 23 hours and 59 minutes - as we all learnt today). Its what they are paid to do and self aggrandisement and flawed headline stats absolutely work in that system...

Here's >edit< over 200 >edit< ordinary decent general motorists piping up which is nice to see and calling their collective BS bluffs: https://www.facebook.com/gwentpolice/photos/a.1015...

Edited by Ken Figenus on Thursday 22 September 19:17