Discussion
Greendubber said:
As has already been pointed out the camera van operators would not be investigating any other matters anyway so dont worry, no murders are going unsolved.
If speeding fines actually DID fund proper road policing that might make them slightly more valid rather than the often pretty petty and generally trivial enforcement that they pat themselves on the back for. On a daily basis, far greater road offences pass them and their indifference to them by. They are sadly a simple, self funding, easy one trick pony that has prejudiced all road policing for far more serious and ALWAYS dangerous stuff.Ken Figenus said:
Greendubber said:
As has already been pointed out the camera van operators would not be investigating any other matters anyway so dont worry, no murders are going unsolved.
If speeding fines actually DID fund proper road policing that might make them slightly more valid rather than the often pretty petty and generally trivial enforcement that they pat themselves on the back for. On a daily basis, far greater road offences pass them and their indifference to them by. They are sadly a simple, self funding, easy one trick pony that has prejudiced all road policing for far more serious and ALWAYS dangerous stuff.Job done.
FurryExocet said:
You're quite right there...... I'm sat on my bed currently...... I paid £600 for this mattress, so I'm getting my monies worth!
I'm a traffic officer and you have to be really unlucky, or just plain stupid to get a fine from me (someone almost talked themselves into one the other day, as he couldn't see the issue with entering a roundabout way to quick and cutting up a lorry)
The reason I don't issue tickets? Court dates, cancelled days off and extra cost in childcare, as the job didn't reimburse me. I'm not in a minority either, there are a couple of guys on my shift that post on here, they'll confirm it
I cannot confirm he is on his bed, nor how much it cost.... But to get a speeding ticket round these parts you would have to be well down on your luck. I'm a traffic officer and you have to be really unlucky, or just plain stupid to get a fine from me (someone almost talked themselves into one the other day, as he couldn't see the issue with entering a roundabout way to quick and cutting up a lorry)
The reason I don't issue tickets? Court dates, cancelled days off and extra cost in childcare, as the job didn't reimburse me. I'm not in a minority either, there are a couple of guys on my shift that post on here, they'll confirm it
There are no targets to meet.
Ken Figenus said:
Greendubber said:
As has already been pointed out the camera van operators would not be investigating any other matters anyway so dont worry, no murders are going unsolved.
If speeding fines actually DID fund proper road policing that might make them slightly more valid rather than the often pretty petty and generally trivial enforcement that they pat themselves on the back for. On a daily basis, far greater road offences pass them and their indifference to them by. They are sadly a simple, self funding, easy one trick pony that has prejudiced all road policing for far more serious and ALWAYS dangerous stuff.You can't blame the cameras for not doing what they aren't designed to do. They are efficient at what they are designed to do.
Edited by vonhosen on Tuesday 13th September 21:13
Boosted LS1 said:
Yes and they're not loved for it. I wonder how many scamerati tell their neighbours what they do for a living? Oh, the shame. Trafpol are one thing but sneaky scummy civilians in a van are just screwing us over.
Some don't like them, some want more of them, most are ambivalent about them. They aren't unpopular enough that they are going to disappear.
Drive well at 150 mph on a deserted motorway once, get caught, face jail. Drive badly everywhere your whole life at 25 mph, no need to worry, because you're below the speed limit. The sort of behaviour most of us see on our roads every day, no use of mirrors or indicators, poor lane discipline, driving at a speed so far below the limit so as to disrupt traffic flow, no focus or memory of the trip they're undertaking, the list goes on. A life of driving badly, unpunished. And it's largely accepted, because there's no perceived damage done, no obvious risk, hey he's not speeding! It's such a regular occurrence that it's largely become something we just shake our heads at in brief exasperation, and then forget until the next idiot presents himself in the same manner. We've learnt to live with it, because nothing's done about it.
These people are a plague, but where's the reward in policing properly something so difficult to concentrate on and clamp down on. Haven't seen much in the way of active policing in the much vaunted middle lane moron epidemic. That still seems to go almost completely unpunished. So the criticism and enthusiasm to pursue and punish will always be of the enthusiastic, focussed drivers who may be speeding, but are, as a consequence, concentrating much more at the task in hand. The easy financial target. If it was anything different, every " bad " driver would be dealt with as a legitimate target, not just the easy pickings. Speeders are actively targeted, other forms of bad driving are largely ignored.
These people are a plague, but where's the reward in policing properly something so difficult to concentrate on and clamp down on. Haven't seen much in the way of active policing in the much vaunted middle lane moron epidemic. That still seems to go almost completely unpunished. So the criticism and enthusiasm to pursue and punish will always be of the enthusiastic, focussed drivers who may be speeding, but are, as a consequence, concentrating much more at the task in hand. The easy financial target. If it was anything different, every " bad " driver would be dealt with as a legitimate target, not just the easy pickings. Speeders are actively targeted, other forms of bad driving are largely ignored.
Greendubber said:
Well there is an obvious way to put them out of business then...... dont speed past them, dont get a fine, dont pay anything into the system.
Job done.
I don't - squeaky clean me (bar 1 SAC for that I quite enjoyed) - I'm far too tight to waste £100! Although I suspect the subject is more complex than that as the the camera 'panacea' approach is a staggering disservice... Job done.
The Speed Camera Partnerships are such a big resource swimming in money and they should up their game and widen their remit to properly connect with their much touted 'safety' moniker instead of being a one trick pony.
Ken Figenus said:
I don't - squeaky clean me (bar 1 SAC for that I quite enjoyed) - I'm far too tight to waste £100! Although I suspect the subject is more complex than that as the the camera 'panacea' approach is a staggering disservice...
The Speed Camera Partnerships are such a big resource swimming in money and they should up their game and widen their remit to properly connect with their much touted 'safety' moniker instead of being a one trick pony.
Indeed. 1,713 people are killed on the roads. 6,122 committed suicide. If the main purpose of safety cameras was actually saving lives, they would focus on improving mental health. But that isn't as sexy as doing the easy stuff like sitting in a van rounding up customers for the SAC industry.The Speed Camera Partnerships are such a big resource swimming in money and they should up their game and widen their remit to properly connect with their much touted 'safety' moniker instead of being a one trick pony.
Heaveho said:
Drive well at 150 mph on a deserted motorway once, get caught, face jail. Drive badly everywhere your whole life at 25 mph, no need to worry, because you're below the speed limit. The sort of behaviour most of us see on our roads every day, no use of mirrors or indicators, poor lane discipline, driving at a speed so far below the limit so as to disrupt traffic flow, no focus or memory of the trip they're undertaking, the list goes on. A life of driving badly, unpunished. And it's largely accepted, because there's no perceived damage done, no obvious risk, hey he's not speeding! It's such a regular occurrence that it's largely become something we just shake our heads at in brief exasperation, and then forget until the next idiot presents himself in the same manner. We've learnt to live with it, because nothing's done about it.
These people are a plague, but where's the reward in policing properly something so difficult to concentrate on and clamp down on. Haven't seen much in the way of active policing in the much vaunted middle lane moron epidemic. That still seems to go almost completely unpunished. So the criticism and enthusiasm to pursue and punish will always be of the enthusiastic, focussed drivers who may be speeding, but are, as a consequence, concentrating much more at the task in hand. The easy financial target. If it was anything different, every " bad " driver would be dealt with as a legitimate target, not just the easy pickings. Speeders are actively targeted, other forms of bad driving are largely ignored.
THE best post on this subject for a long, long while and soooo true! These people are a plague, but where's the reward in policing properly something so difficult to concentrate on and clamp down on. Haven't seen much in the way of active policing in the much vaunted middle lane moron epidemic. That still seems to go almost completely unpunished. So the criticism and enthusiasm to pursue and punish will always be of the enthusiastic, focussed drivers who may be speeding, but are, as a consequence, concentrating much more at the task in hand. The easy financial target. If it was anything different, every " bad " driver would be dealt with as a legitimate target, not just the easy pickings. Speeders are actively targeted, other forms of bad driving are largely ignored.
Around my son's school (3 in close proximity) are countless speed bumps. Really nasty things on bad condition.
I long for speed cameras around them instead of bumps.
I drive slowly over them and watch idiots gallop at speed behind me in my rear view mirror, who then weave round the rear of my car obviously in a rush to get to their important kitchen brunch summit with other dignitaries.
I long for speed cameras around them instead of bumps.
I drive slowly over them and watch idiots gallop at speed behind me in my rear view mirror, who then weave round the rear of my car obviously in a rush to get to their important kitchen brunch summit with other dignitaries.
hora said:
Around my son's school (3 in close proximity) are countless speed bumps. Really nasty things on bad condition.
I long for speed cameras around them instead of bumps.
I drive slowly over them and watch idiots gallop at speed behind me in my rear view mirror, who then weave round the rear of my car obviously in a rush to get to their important kitchen brunch summit with other dignitaries.
But they don't put them outside schools - because people don't speed outside schools as that would be stupid.I long for speed cameras around them instead of bumps.
I drive slowly over them and watch idiots gallop at speed behind me in my rear view mirror, who then weave round the rear of my car obviously in a rush to get to their important kitchen brunch summit with other dignitaries.
They deliberately put them where people regularly drive over the limit as it's too low - like on the dual carriageway near me that's a 30.
At least in my area the police speed van are manned by police staff not actual police men. So not like they could be doing other things like many seem to think they are not taking frontline police to man camera vans. Personally after seeing some of the speeds people manage in 30 and 40 zones locally and a few very close calls I am no longer opposed to them in my area
Heaveho said:
fangio said:
THE best post on this subject for a long, long while and soooo true!
Thank you, very rarely I post something that makes me seem knowledgeable or articulate, and even more rare to have it acknowledged. Your appreciation is appreciated! 
Your post doesn't "make you seem knowledgeable or articulate" and makes the person endorsing your post seem rather stupid. I suppse it may just be a matter of opinion though.
drf765 said:
What a back-slapping session you two girls are having.
Your post doesn't "make you seem knowledgeable or articulate" and makes the person endorsing your post seem rather stupid. I suppse it may just be a matter of opinion though.
If you think I'm a girl, your lass must be a right munter! 14 posts in, and you're the new man to be reckoned with? When you learn how to spell " suppose " correctly, I'll credit your opinion more highly. Thanks for posting. Your post doesn't "make you seem knowledgeable or articulate" and makes the person endorsing your post seem rather stupid. I suppse it may just be a matter of opinion though.
Oh! Could it be time to bring out yet again the corruption evidence, the doctored stats, the FOI denials, those in the industry or connected explaining it's almost all about money and targets etc, etc, etc?
It's always good for a giggle, because the "don't speed, then" brigade always shuffle off and suddenly have little to say.
It's always good for a giggle, because the "don't speed, then" brigade always shuffle off and suddenly have little to say.
Digby said:
Oh! Could it be time to bring out yet again the corruption evidence, the doctored stats, the FOI denials, those in the industry or connected explaining it's almost all about money and targets etc, etc, etc?
It's always good for a giggle, because the "don't speed, then" brigade always shuffle off and suddenly have little to say.
It's always good for a giggle, because the "don't speed, then" brigade always shuffle off and suddenly have little to say.
Yes please diggers. Get you cut and paste going. Always good for a laugh.
Incedentaly, followed an old couple today. 45 in a nsl , 45 in a 40, 45 in a 30 and out again. No cameras, no idea. Same old poor driving
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