If you get 3 points on an auto licence (6 allowed total)

[SS2.]

2lefthands said:

SS2. said:

2lefthands said:

SS2. said:

2lefthands said:

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/docum...

The above link is the last government document I can find that relates to non-motorway fixed speed cameras. Shows visibility and distance visible from. This, however, does NOT cover red light cameras, which do not have to be clearly visible.

I'm not reading anything there which says enforcement cameras (of any sort) must be visible or conspicuous.

Then I suggest re-reading the document in its entirety. Pages 4 and 5 for a little help.

Thanks, but might I suggest you research the differences between the terms rules and guidance.

Cheers pal, I'll save the effort though. Guidance (and repeated use of the word should, and not must, in said guidance) would mean that the text contains, shock horror, guidance to local authorities, not rules to abide by.

Might I suggest you locate where I have pointed to any such rules in my posts on this topic? I have even clarified for the boy racer OP that red light cameras are not covered by the same visibility and conspicuity guidance outlined.

I am fully aware of the differences between 'rules' and 'guidance' when it comes to enforcement devices.

It is evident from your replies when the OP was asked 'what makes you think there are any (let alone different) visibility and conspicuity rules for speed cameras ?' that you are not.

[2lefthands]

Something about arguing, idiots, the internet and their level...

OP, slow the fk down, pay attention to traffic signals/signs and turn the GPS off. As SS2 makes the point he has so furiously masturbated over, you won't always know when you're about to be caught by visual clues, so obey the rules or be prepared to be back on the bus.

Edited by 2lefthands on Wednesday 14th September 10:26

[Vaud]

OP, and I mean this in a constructive way - invest in some further driver coaching. We can all learn. Passing your test is the very start point, not the end point.

A few hours more coating can't hurt you. An advanced driver will help you with observation and defensive driving.

One trick, switch off your GPS, music, etc, plan a route on a map and then drive while giving yourself a commentary about the risks and hazards you see ahead. By focusing you might surprise yourself with what you miss on a regular basis. Going into autopilot is an issue for most drivers of all ages.

[SS2.]

2lefthands said:

Something about arguing, idiots, the internet and their level...

I wouldn't call it arguing, but I do think it helps PH readers if the facts can be straight at least once in a while.

And as far as the 'idiot' comment is concerned, please contact site admin for the ironic post of the week trophy.

[clarkey]

yodjone said:

Hi all. I have a strange question here. Dont know if anyone will know the answer. But basically I passed my test in July 2016 on Auto car licence, I may have had a red light issue (passed perhaps slightly over 2 seconds of it being on red, but not 100% on that) that may jepeordise me and get me 3 points (still nothing in the post yet) #touchwood and I Would in effect be running a fine line of 3 points remaining for the next 20 months or so. (in theory)

So i was wondering, If you get 3 points on an auto licence (6 allowed total) I was thinking, could you in effect apply for a manual test/license and then have an additional 6 points available if you passed for the first 2 years? or would you still only have 3 left in the first 2 years before you had to retake your test?

Also, what would happen if you failed your manual test, would i lose my automatic license? Or would I not be able to take a manual license at all?

Dont know if anyone would know the answer. But its something ive been thinking about

This isn't related to the points, but the mistake on the traffic lights. When I learned to drive many, many years ago my instructor told me a really useful tip - he said that for each set of traffic lights you must pick 'the point of no return' regardless of colour. So if they change prior to this point, you stop. If they change after this point, you carry on. The point varies based on vehicle, speed, road conditions, how close the car behind is, etc. If you think this way for each set of traffic lights, you won't go far wrong and you'll never jump a red light (if you are driving at the right speed for the conditions)

I don't mean to be patronising, apologies if it comes across like that. We all start from no experience and need to build it up. This really helped me.

[Vaud]

clarkey said:

This isn't related to the points, but the mistake on the traffic lights. When I learned to drive many, many years ago my instructor told me a really useful tip - he said that for each set of traffic lights you must pick 'the point of no return' regardless of colour. So if they change prior to this point, you stop. If they change after this point, you carry on. The point varies based on vehicle, speed, road conditions, how close the car behind is, etc. If you think this way for each set of traffic lights, you won't go far wrong and you'll never jump a red light (if you are driving at the right speed for the conditions)

I don't mean to be patronising, apologies if it comes across like that. We all start from no experience and need to build it up. This really helped me.

This is good advice for defensive driving.

[Mr Will]

herewego said:

Mr Will said:

yodjone said:

Thanks for the info Mr Will - Interestingly enough though, I read if you did aquire 6 points within your first 2 years, you could still in effect apply for a theory test / driving test, and if you passed them be issued with a fresh license with another 6 points available - Not that I am encouraging this or want to do this, quite the opposite !!! but im just thinking this rule is a bit strange? Thats why I posed the question of re-aquiring another license

No, you've been fed some misinformation there. If you hit 6 points you lose your licence and must take your test again once the ban has expired.

(IIRC - it's been a long time since I checked and the rules may have changed.)

There is no ban and never has been. It's a revocation not a ban. He's quite correct apart from the spelling of licence.

It isn't strange though. The revocation requires you to present yourself for a further test if you wish to continue driving.

You live and learn - I was wrong! Apologies.

[CaptainMorgan]

Just take it easy, I done my whole 2 years after passing on 3 points, I got 3 for no L plate on my scooter. I just watched my speed and went steady.

[anonymous-user]

Everyone crying about someone making mistake....because your all so perfect, the same people saying think yourself lucky and all the rest of it offer advice on a nip to someone else but slate this person because there a new driver? Everyone needs to get a grip.


OP,
You will probably get a drivers awareness course because your a new driver and if you accept and complete the course you will incur no penalty points.

[Monkeylegend]

Learn2MergeInTurn said:

Everyone crying about someone making mistake....because your all so perfect, the same people saying think yourself lucky and all the rest of it offer advice on a nip to someone else but slate this person because there a new driver? Everyone needs to get a grip.


OP,
You will probably get a drivers awareness course because your a new driver and if you accept and complete the course you will incur no penalty points.

Where to start

[C70R]

Learn2MergeInTurn said:

Everyone crying about someone making mistake....because your all so perfect, the same people saying think yourself lucky and all the rest of it offer advice on a nip to someone else but slate this person because there a new driver? Everyone needs to get a grip.


OP,
You will probably get a drivers awareness course because your a new driver and if you accept and complete the course you will incur no penalty points.

Can we rename you "Learn2UsePunctuation"?

[Mr Will]

Learn2MergeInTurn said:

Everyone crying about someone making mistake....because your all so perfect, the same people saying think yourself lucky and all the rest of it offer advice on a nip to someone else but slate this person because there a new driver? Everyone needs to get a grip.

I posted this:

Mr Will said:

So you put your foot down to gamble on an amber light and then regretted it. Be glad it was only a camera and not a pedestrian stepping out as soon as the lights changed.

This needs to be a lesson to you. You made a mistake. That's okay - we all do. The important thing (and it sounds like you're half way there) is to admit your mistake to yourself and modify your behaviour to avoid it happening again.

I don't see anyone here claiming to be perfect. I've never had a penalty point but I did write off four cars when I was young and stupid. Nearly killed myself one of those times too.

The important thing here is to admit your own mistakes and learn from them. Blame the camera, the bush it was hiding behind or (in my case) the detergent on the road and you will never become a better driver.

If I can convince you to do just one thing; please read 10 pence short's story here: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... It's worth reading the words of someone who experienced how a simple mistake can change lives.

[JonV8V]

There is more concern about the attitude which is focused on getting off and blaming other things (I was told... the camera was hidden...etc) than it is making a mistake. The wrong attitude will hurt more than a letter in the post

[KevinCamaroSS]

JonV8V said:

There is more concern about the attitude which is focused on getting off and blaming other things (I was told... the camera was hidden...etc) than it is making a mistake. The wrong attitude will hurt more than a letter in the post

I agree with Jon here. I would also comment that part of the driving test is demonstrating a knowledge of the Highway Code, therefore the OP should have known exactly what the situation is regarding traffic lights.