What the hell is this? Pay or ignore?

What the hell is this? Pay or ignore?

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ILoveMondeo

Original Poster:

9,614 posts

225 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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Well this is new, had an appointment at a company on a business park near Liverpool, stopped for a fag in a layby thing, off the road, PCN thingie from a local security van that was passing by the looks of it.

I'm tempted to just bin it. Thoughts?

Cheers


anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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Do some detective work on the internet.
Search the company to see if it's a scam.

ILoveMondeo

Original Poster:

9,614 posts

225 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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it's a "real" company that do parking enforcement in a variety of places.

My understanding is that these are completely unenforceable.

Sebring440

1,926 posts

95 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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ILoveMondeo said:
My understanding is that these are completely unenforceable.
Your understanding is wrong, I'm afraid, where did you "understand" this from?

However, most of these "unfair" parking invoice changes on here are from people that "do actually" overstay the permitted parking, but in your case, I'd be absolutely livid after stopping off in a layby for a few minutes.

Fight it all the way.


anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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Liverpool airport has plenty of ANPR vans looking for anyone who stops in the vicinity.

Eta it's not new
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news...

http://dailym.ai/19NzThE

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 15th September 21:11

Quattromaster

2,904 posts

203 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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I had one of these through today as well, for Leigh Delaware services on the M4.

I've lent my 4x4 to a member of staff to take his caravan to Cornwall for 2 weeks, he stopped in services for just over four hrs and they have done him for £60.

Nice surprise in his pigeon hole when he is back to work Monday.

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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[quote=Quattromaster]I had one of these through today as well, for Leigh Delaware services on the M4.

I've lent my 4x4 to a member of staff to take his caravan to Cornwall for 2 weeks, he stopped in services for just over four hrs and they have done him for £60.

Nice surprise in his pigeon hole when he is back to work Monday.

http://moto-way.com/contact-us/
Why on earth would you stay over 4 hours?

Quattromaster

2,904 posts

203 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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speedyguy said:
http://moto-way.com/contact-us/
Why on earth would you stay over 4 hours?
He arrived around 1am and left just after 4am, I'm guessing he just wanted to get his head down, long drive from Essex to Cornwall, that's the advantage of towing your bed behind you I guess.

Doesn't appeal to me, spend the first night of your holiday in the M4 services, lol.

creampuff

6,511 posts

142 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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^ Could also have been late night dogging. In the caravan and in your 4x4.

RWD cossie wil

4,295 posts

172 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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speedyguy said:
Quattromaster said:
I had one of these through today as well, for Leigh Delaware services on the M4.

I've lent my 4x4 to a member of staff to take his caravan to Cornwall for 2 weeks, he stopped in services for just over four hrs and they have done him for £60.

Nice surprise in his pigeon hole when he is back to work Monday.

http://moto-way.com/contact-us/
Why on earth would you stay over 4 hours?
It's bloody dangerous IMHO, the amount of accidents caused by tired drivers is huge, there are Gov sponsored ad campaigns about not driving tired, the motorway matrix signs often say take a break, or don't drive tired etc, but if you dare to have a kip at a services, you get hit with a stupid "parking charge notice"

These things need banning ASAP much like clamping.

carreauchompeur

17,830 posts

203 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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This really is weapons-grade bullst. Who the hell do these companies think they are?

2lefthands

400 posts

138 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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I'd be tempted, if you have the time, to chat with plod in the area. Whilst parking can be farmed out to private cowboys, surely stopping is a HC offence if duly signed, and as such, letter is a fraudulent attempted to gain profit?

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

156 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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What is a layby thing?

The charge notice claims the road was private property. What signage is present when entering?

g7orge

292 posts

93 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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davamer23

1,126 posts

153 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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Quattromaster said:
He arrived around 1am and left just after 4am, I'm guessing he just wanted to get his head down, long drive from Essex to Cornwall, that's the advantage of towing your bed behind you I guess.

Doesn't appeal to me, spend the first night of your holiday in the M4 services, lol.
That's just over 3hrs

lostmotel

156 posts

134 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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I am going through a couple where I got ticketed by VCS in my own space, and so refuse to pay on principle.

VCS have started doing court over these a lot more recently, so I wouldn't bin it. So unless you feel up for a fight and potentially ending up in small claims court, I'd be tempted to pay it, regardless of whether they are enforceable or not. If you want to fight, head to Pepipoo.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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RWD cossie wil said:
It's bloody dangerous IMHO, the amount of accidents caused by tired drivers is huge, there are Gov sponsored ad campaigns about not driving tired, the motorway matrix signs often say take a break, or don't drive tired etc, but if you dare to have a kip at a services, you get hit with a stupid "parking charge notice"

These things need banning ASAP much like clamping.
Funny how you mention a campaign "don't drive tired" which recommends a 15 MINUTE break every 2 hours
http://think.direct.gov.uk/fatigue.html

I'm just looking at someone complaining using the same argument after parking their campervan for over 8hrs smile
I bet in the old labour intensive clamping days fewer people were "charged" than under the newer "ANPR" technology.
Supposedly the average stay at a MSA is 20 minutes according to their data.
Anyway this is off the ops subject about STOPPING on private land.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

125 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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ILoveMondeo said:
I'm tempted to just bin it. Thoughts?
You parked somewhere you shouldn't, on private land. Same as any other private parking "fine".

Not sure about it being a camera van, not with that bit of streetlight in the first pic - fixed camera on a building.

surveyor

17,766 posts

183 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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This I assume was on Peel Holdings Land, who also own Doncaster and Liverpool Airport.

There will be signs all over the place saying no stopping and they mean it. The bds will do you if you stop to ask for directions, if you stop to change a wheel, or answer a phone call. Lots of people say they are not enforceable.

I've sadly had to pay one, as my wife parked next to the camera van (yes, really!), while waiting to collect me from the airport. I had asked her to wait until I called to set off from home - a whole 5 minute journey. The letter went to the Lease Company, who as registered keeper would have ended up on the hook.

The effect of these, together with the punitive short term car parking charges at the airport, is that the local lay-bye's are thick with people waiting for flights, and nipping into the adjacent woods to use them as toilets.

spikyone

1,413 posts

99 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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I would suggest a couple of things:
First up, remove anything that identifies the car from your picture - your registration and the photo of the car, and anything that suggests who may have been driving.
Secondly, get yourself over to the MSE forums for proper advice, however post #19 of this thread has several magic bullets to help you make this go away. In short, the letter VCS have sent is not compliant with POFA 2012 so they can only pursue the driver (hence the need to remove anything identifying the driver from the OP), and they can't issue a parking charge where parking was prohibited entirely, since it's trespass rather than a parking issue (no offer of contract = no breach of contract).

Some will suggest ignoring this, but whilst VCS don't currently do court, they have up to 6 years from the date of the event should they change their mind (or the law is "clarified" in their favour in future - the infamous Beavis case led to several companies dragging up old parking tickets), so it is far safer to kill it off properly now. You might have seen recent news of people ending up with CCJs for historic private parking issues that they knew nothing about until they couldn't get a mortgage. That would only happen under very specific circumstances but why take the risk?