Using phone driving to increase to 6 points & £200 fine
Discussion
zarjaz1991 said:
Pip1968 said:
I think you missed my point. "Texting" is sending a message through electronic means usu. a phone. The fact that 'nobody' refers to sending a message through 'Farcebook' or Whatsapp as texting does not make it wrong or incorrect terminology. I am quite happy that in a court of law a case would not fall down because the accused sent a Farcebook message and not as stated a text/texted. Noboby of your generation may call it a text but most of mine do.
I and others may not use the latest terminology but then often the in words are just a contribution to destruction of the English language ie bad/good, wicked/great (?), inbox me/text a message to me that I can pick up in my inbox.
Maybe you were not clear or I have misunderstood but 'we' are 'with the programme' but just are sometimes less likely to use colloquialisms/slang.
Pip
Sorry. Not really interested in legal definitions and courts of law. In the real world, 'Texting' refers to using the SMS system. Absolutely nobody would ever use it to mean anything else, except perhaps trying to prove a non-point in a court of law.I and others may not use the latest terminology but then often the in words are just a contribution to destruction of the English language ie bad/good, wicked/great (?), inbox me/text a message to me that I can pick up in my inbox.
Maybe you were not clear or I have misunderstood but 'we' are 'with the programme' but just are sometimes less likely to use colloquialisms/slang.
Pip
Texting = SMS.
e21Mark said:
Rubbish. My kids, their friends etc use the verb text, to mean they send a message via their phones. Whether it's SMS, FB Messenger or whatever is immaterial as it eludes to the same thing, i.e sending a section of text.
Oh well maybe I'm 'old' myself now, by the looks of it...almost 25, to someone their age I will be ancient. zarjaz1991 said:
e21Mark said:
Rubbish. My kids, their friends etc use the verb text, to mean they send a message via their phones. Whether it's SMS, FB Messenger or whatever is immaterial as it eludes to the same thing, i.e sending a section of text.
Oh well maybe I'm 'old' myself now, by the looks of it...almost 25, to someone their age I will be ancient. In addition to the points and fine I'd like to thier phones confiscated from them and see them banned from owning or using a mobile phone for a year.
With a bit of help from the phone providers I'm sure a blacklist could be created where if one of these people attempts to buy another phone it pings the blacklist and the sale is denied.
Open to abuse obviously as no doubt one of their equally vacuous friends could buy them another phone but it would be a good start.
With a bit of help from the phone providers I'm sure a blacklist could be created where if one of these people attempts to buy another phone it pings the blacklist and the sale is denied.
Open to abuse obviously as no doubt one of their equally vacuous friends could buy them another phone but it would be a good start.
zarjaz1991 said:
e21Mark said:
My kids are the same age as you, or thereabouts.
Well I must be old fashioned or sheltered. I have never heard anyone refer to sending Facebook messages as 'texting'.
But anywho it really is just typical of PH to let any sentiments of debate fade off into semantics after a page or two. The chosen term used for typing a written message via a cellular device really isnt pertinent to the debate at hand, which to my understanding is whether or not draconian punishments should be handed out for very minor road traffic offences.
caelite said:
But anywho it really is just typical of PH to let any sentiments of debate fade off into semantics after a page or two. The chosen term used for typing a written message via a cellular device really isnt pertinent to the debate at hand, which to my understanding is whether or not draconian punishments should be handed out for very minor road traffic offences.
Where would you draw the line?Tyre tread at 1.5mm/1mm/bald?
No headlights?
Worn brakes?
No driving licence?
What is "minor, slap on the wrist" and what is "major, lock him up"?
None of the above automatically result in accidents/injuries/fatalities, but they DO increase risk. It would be nice if people had a bit of common sense and self-control but unfortunately they don't. So the Government has to legislate more and more to try and compensate for the thick and the selfish.
What worries me that there are plenty of cases reported where the drivers are adamant that they were not holding or using their phones but merely scratching their ear etc... one I read, he even showed the officer his boot - where is phone was and the officer couldn't find a mobile in the passenger compartment.
Unfortunately, the police do make mistakes - what happens if a new driver is subject to a mistake and gets 6 points and so revocation?
I think that for this amount of fine/points, there needs to be video evidence rather than a police officers opinion.
I do agree though, that using phones in your hand - texting, calling, internetting etc should be stopped.
I also think that the law needs to be made clearer, they use the term 'while driving' - which to many would read while actually moving - think it can be ambiguous and so needs to be made crystal clear that it means -driving, stationary in traffic, waiting at the lights etc. If I decide I need to take the call away from handsfree, I park up and turn the ignition off and keys from the ignition.
Unfortunately, the police do make mistakes - what happens if a new driver is subject to a mistake and gets 6 points and so revocation?
I think that for this amount of fine/points, there needs to be video evidence rather than a police officers opinion.
I do agree though, that using phones in your hand - texting, calling, internetting etc should be stopped.
I also think that the law needs to be made clearer, they use the term 'while driving' - which to many would read while actually moving - think it can be ambiguous and so needs to be made crystal clear that it means -driving, stationary in traffic, waiting at the lights etc. If I decide I need to take the call away from handsfree, I park up and turn the ignition off and keys from the ignition.
Tomo1971 said:
What worries me that there are plenty of cases reported where the drivers are adamant that they were not holding or using their phones but merely scratching their ear etc... one I read, he even showed the officer his boot - where is phone was and the officer couldn't find a mobile in the passenger compartment.
Surely you'd take the matter to court and get the phone company to confirm no call was active at the time?Countdown said:
caelite said:
But anywho it really is just typical of PH to let any sentiments of debate fade off into semantics after a page or two. The chosen term used for typing a written message via a cellular device really isnt pertinent to the debate at hand, which to my understanding is whether or not draconian punishments should be handed out for very minor road traffic offences.
Where would you draw the line?Tyre tread at 1.5mm/1mm/bald?
No headlights?
Worn brakes?
No driving licence?
What is "minor, slap on the wrist" and what is "major, lock him up"?
None of the above automatically result in accidents/injuries/fatalities, but they DO increase risk. It would be nice if people had a bit of common sense and self-control but unfortunately they don't. So the Government has to legislate more and more to try and compensate for the thick and the selfish.
Having one of many contributing factors to an accident = slap on the wrist
The issue of your logic of risk reduction is that there needs to be a line between nanny state and the rights of the individual. That line has been creeping at an alarming rate towards the nanny state option, especially in recent years in the west (UK and US mainly) due to a sue happy culture and in my opinion a large majority of people switching off and ignoring the states ever over-reaching hand. Ultimately all it leads to is a generation of people who are incapable of looking after themselves and NEED the state to nurse them.
The other issue is scapegoating issues, the numerous factors you mentioned have always been £100 3 point offences. and for good reason as they can all be contributory factors in an accident as much as mobile usage or speeding. However it is part of state control to work up the flavour of the month (phones/speeding) in order to increase fines/enforcement before moving on to the next thing, this is how they steadily increase fines and reduce civil liberties without causing public outrage, and it has been happening for decades gradually eroding peoples rights to private life.
SS2. said:
colin_p said:
caelite said:
...which to my understanding is whether or not draconian punishments should be handed out for very minor road traffic offences.
Very minor offences which can and do turn into the murder of innocent people.Jeez..
fangio said:
SS2. said:
colin_p said:
caelite said:
...which to my understanding is whether or not draconian punishments should be handed out for very minor road traffic offences.
Very minor offences which can and do turn into the murder of innocent people.Jeez..
The logical argument time and time again is based on trial and statistics stating that our roads are safer than ever and are continuing to get safer. So not we dont need draconian punishments for minor offenses nor do we need lower speed limits bloody everywhere. Sadly our political leaders arn't interested in the logical argument as it really is all to easy to wheel out the grieving mother whos little Jimmy was a part of an extremely small statistic.
ash73 said:
Just block phones in cars, or on the move, problem solved. Passengers will just have to put up with it.
What an utterly bonkers suggestion. Perhaps you think we should do the same with drink driving. Everyone in the car must be sober. Passengers will just have to put up with it.
Ffs!
KSI's are falling due to vehicle secondary safety and advances in medical treatment.
Just turn it off, why is your personal lifesiht worth destroying another persons life ?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/490393/Mobile-pho...
Just turn it off, why is your personal lifesiht worth destroying another persons life ?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/490393/Mobile-pho...
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