False details given at accident

False details given at accident

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Devil2575

13,400 posts

187 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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xjay1337 said:
Devil2575 said:
I didn't say that. I asked you a specific question. Where does the person who is selling a "genuine BMW parts" on ebay get it from that allows him to sell it for much less and still make a profit?

I'm not saying they're all fakes, I just don't know how anyone gets hold of a genuine new BMW bumper other than from BMW who are unlikely to sell it to them for such a discount, unless BMW are in the business of allowing ebay sells to dramatically undercut their franchise network.

I get it with a parts made by a third party where they also sell them under thier own brand, but not a part made by BMW themselves.

TPS is owned and run by VAG

https://tps.trade/what-is-tps

The TPS Network was an industry first when it was launched back in 2007. It was the first trade operation to be totally owned and run by an automotive manufacturer - Volkswagen Group.
How much is a bumper directly from BMW?
Not through a bodyshop but if you phone up and ask "can I buy a rear bumper for my E60 M-Sport please" how much will it be?
Getting hold of bumpers is not hard. Breaking cars, spares or repairs, people who upgrade from one type to the next type up (EG Se to M-sport, M-sport to M5), likewise sometimes warehouses shut down, stock gets sold on for debt repayments.
I guess this is difference between me and you where I've had to use lots of online parts and never had a problem if you buy with your eyes open.
No idea.

I've done plenty of Getting hold of parts normally used bits through a breakers. I've bought stuff of ebay, some of which has been ok some of which hasn't.

However this is if I break my car and want to save a few £ fixing it. What I wouldn't do is try to fix my car on the cheap if someone else hit me especially if I had an expensive car.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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I agree about fixing your car on the cheap.
But sourcing a genuine bumper from Ebay is not cheap. As I said if someone caught my bumper I would be happy with a few hundred quid and would just source the bumper myself.

Four Litre

2,013 posts

191 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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911cab said:
I have front and rear facing cameras, so it has all been recorded.

I have done a couple of checks over the weekend, askmid and dvla sites, at the time of him rear ending my other half the van had an MOT was insured but had NO Tax and still has no Tax.

I have already had the go ahead to get my car repaired but I want to make sure that I will recover my excess before I do.

I have left them a message and sent another text as before (not abusive as the troll would like to think and imply laugh) as the phone went straight to answer phone.

I was thinking of a trip to Southampton Police Station to see if they would be interested in the footage of a un-taxed vehicle being used and false address being given following a accident?
Trust me I would be amazed if they cared a jot. I had a guy refuse to give me his insurance details and tell me to "Go **** Yourself". Called Police and they said that as long as I havent been assaulted, they wouldnt be doing anything. The only thing they would do was arrest me If I stopped the other guy leaving.

From then on, Ive promised the next time any police officer asks for help, will politely decline.

Devil2575

13,400 posts

187 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Four Litre said:
Trust me I would be amazed if they cared a jot. I had a guy refuse to give me his insurance details and tell me to "Go **** Yourself". Called Police and they said that as long as I havent been assaulted, they wouldnt be doing anything. The only thing they would do was arrest me If I stopped the other guy leaving.

From then on, Ive promised the next time any police officer asks for help, will politely decline.
Given all you need is the registration why does it matter if he refused to give details?

I can understand why if you atempted to detain him you would get into trouble.

The last bit, well it's a matter of perspective isn't it. If anyone asked me for help and I could I would and I wouldn't base my response to someone on how soneone completely different had responded to me in the past.

fastbikes76

2,450 posts

121 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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xjay1337 said:
How much is a bumper directly from BMW?
Not through a bodyshop but if you phone up and ask "can I buy a rear bumper for my E60 M-Sport please" how much will it be?
Almost £900 as I said earlier. Literally just phoned BMW 2 minutes ago and the exact price is ..

£830.27 for bare bumper skin
£161.38 for 1 parking sensor
£72.50 for foam impact stuff

and I didn't get price on rear defusser as mine was unscathed.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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Oh. Well in that case it must be fake on Ebay.

rolleyesrolleyesrolleyes

C70R

17,596 posts

103 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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xjay1337 said:
Oh. Well in that case it must be fake on Ebay.

rolleyesrolleyesrolleyes
I'm just confused how you're somehow able to guarantee that it's a genuine, brand-new item... (and that such parts are readily available)

fastbikes76

2,450 posts

121 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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xjay1337 said:
Oh. Well in that case it must be fake on Ebay.

rolleyesrolleyesrolleyes
At no point have I said its fake, I did say though when I looked that seller certainly wasn't selling them and there were NO new genuine ones on Ebay. The only other logical place too look for a NEW genuine bumper would be, well BMW of course (who wanted £830)

Either way, why on earth should I or the OP or anyone else damaged by a 3rd party have to spend time sourcing second hand or cheaper parts off ebay and then have the hassle of getting them painted and finding someone to fit them when that's what we pay insurance for ? If I scuffed my own bumper on a pillar or something then yes, 100% that is the route I would go and find a cheaper bumper getting it painted and sorted at a reasonable cost to myself.

In the OP's and our circumstance the only way to do it properly is send the car to an approved repairer and have it repaired to a good standard at the insurance companies expense using new genuine parts and not some second hand tosh from the local auto jumble.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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C70R said:
I'm just confused how you're somehow able to guarantee that it's a genuine, brand-new item... (and that such parts are readily available)
I've explained myself plenty of times. I cannot be bothered repeating myself.

Sheepshanks

32,530 posts

118 months

Tuesday 20th September 2016
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xjay1337 said:
Oh. Well in that case it must be fake on Ebay.

rolleyesrolleyesrolleyes
It's probably nicked like most stuff on eBay.


The margin on parts is immense - I used to work for a manufacturer and we could buy stuff for our own cars (had to produce V5) from local dealers at up to 62.5% off.

C70R

17,596 posts

103 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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xjay1337 said:
C70R said:
I'm just confused how you're somehow able to guarantee that it's a genuine, brand-new item... (and that such parts are readily available)
I've explained myself plenty of times. I cannot be bothered repeating myself.
You've had a good go at flapping, and asked others to prove their theories. But i don't see any evidence of mass availability of genuine parts outside oh the dealer network.

With these feet

5,728 posts

214 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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Youve only got to see the number of counterfeit things on eBay to realise just because the seller says its genuine doesnt mean it is. IIRC wasnt there even a shop in China that was a fake Apple store?

xjay1337

15,966 posts

117 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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C70R said:
xjay1337 said:
C70R said:
I'm just confused how you're somehow able to guarantee that it's a genuine, brand-new item... (and that such parts are readily available)
I've explained myself plenty of times. I cannot be bothered repeating myself.
You've had a good go at flapping, and asked others to prove their theories. But i don't see any evidence of mass availability of genuine parts outside oh the dealer network.
Ok mate :-)

Amateurish

7,697 posts

221 months

Wednesday 21st September 2016
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My BMW is having a rear bumper replaced at a BMW dealer on Friday. Cost to the insurance company - £2k.