Police Officer Smashes Windscreen
Discussion
Rovinghawk said:
Greendubber said:
I didnt say they should be did I? I was elaborating on the point made earlier about shoving hands into stangers vehicles to get a sample of breath and the risks that go with it.
Major bummer. If you can't handle it then might I suggest you find alternative employment?Edited by Greendubber on Wednesday 21st September 05:52
Rovinghawk said:
Greendubber said:
I didnt say they should be did I? I was elaborating on the point made earlier about shoving hands into stangers vehicles to get a sample of breath and the risks that go with it.
Major bummer. If you can't handle it then might I suggest you find alternative employment?Does discussing risk mean someone needs to find another job? No of course it doesnt, its just being aware of what can potentially do you harm.
Edited by Greendubber on Wednesday 21st September 05:58
roofer said:
As previously, I come across them every day. Are his actions justified ? Yes. Because he's trying to uphold the law and being obstructed. If the police had a bit more support from the left wing pc nambite pambie do gooders, these situations wouldn't occur in the first place.
Scumtard in car wouldn't need a new windscreen if he had complied with coppers request. Coppers, and inner London ones especially, have to deal with the absolute scum of society on an hourly basis.
I've had a similar scumtard come out of his flat threatening my scaffolders with a table leg because they woke him up at 10 am.
These people are scum, they just want to work the system to their advantage, nobody else counts. Copper is a grafter who does an honest day's work to feed his kids, but all of a sudden, he's a rascist nut. No he's not, he's a human being, who is fed up having the piss taken out of him, and what he's trying to do, keep decent folk safe. So enough of the copper bashing, I' m no saint, never have been, but when I got a thick ear of the local Bobby , I gave the man a bit of respect, and therein lies the fault, the erosion of society has loaded opinion in the scums favour, but if any one of the condemners has the balls ls to do what the copper does every day, then go for it ....nah, there ain't none.
"Evening All"Scumtard in car wouldn't need a new windscreen if he had complied with coppers request. Coppers, and inner London ones especially, have to deal with the absolute scum of society on an hourly basis.
I've had a similar scumtard come out of his flat threatening my scaffolders with a table leg because they woke him up at 10 am.
These people are scum, they just want to work the system to their advantage, nobody else counts. Copper is a grafter who does an honest day's work to feed his kids, but all of a sudden, he's a rascist nut. No he's not, he's a human being, who is fed up having the piss taken out of him, and what he's trying to do, keep decent folk safe. So enough of the copper bashing, I' m no saint, never have been, but when I got a thick ear of the local Bobby , I gave the man a bit of respect, and therein lies the fault, the erosion of society has loaded opinion in the scums favour, but if any one of the condemners has the balls ls to do what the copper does every day, then go for it ....nah, there ain't none.
roofer said:
As previously, I come across them every day. Are his actions justified ? Yes. Because he's trying to uphold the law and being obstructed. If the police had a bit more support from the left wing pc nambite pambie do gooders, these situations wouldn't occur in the first place.
Scumtard in car wouldn't need a new windscreen if he had complied with coppers request. Coppers, and inner London ones especially, have to deal with the absolute scum of society on an hourly basis.
I've had a similar scumtard come out of his flat threatening my scaffolders with a table leg because they woke him up at 10 am.
These people are scum, they just want to work the system to their advantage, nobody else counts. Copper is a grafter who does an honest day's work to feed his kids, but all of a sudden, he's a rascist nut. No he's not, he's a human being, who is fed up having the piss taken out of him, and what he's trying to do, keep decent folk safe. So enough of the copper bashing, I' m no saint, never have been, but when I got a thick ear of the local Bobby , I gave the man a bit of respect, and therein lies the fault, the erosion of society has loaded opinion in the scums favour, but if any one of the condemners has the balls ls to do what the copper does every day, then go for it ....nah, there ain't none.
That makes it clearer why you hold the views you do. Scumtard in car wouldn't need a new windscreen if he had complied with coppers request. Coppers, and inner London ones especially, have to deal with the absolute scum of society on an hourly basis.
I've had a similar scumtard come out of his flat threatening my scaffolders with a table leg because they woke him up at 10 am.
These people are scum, they just want to work the system to their advantage, nobody else counts. Copper is a grafter who does an honest day's work to feed his kids, but all of a sudden, he's a rascist nut. No he's not, he's a human being, who is fed up having the piss taken out of him, and what he's trying to do, keep decent folk safe. So enough of the copper bashing, I' m no saint, never have been, but when I got a thick ear of the local Bobby , I gave the man a bit of respect, and therein lies the fault, the erosion of society has loaded opinion in the scums favour, but if any one of the condemners has the balls ls to do what the copper does every day, then go for it ....nah, there ain't none.
Who exactly are "these people"? An innocent driver who didn't get out of his car when he had no obligation to? Or am I missing something (obvious) about the reference to "these people"?
roofer said:
As previously, I come across them every day. Are his actions justified ? Yes. Because he's trying to uphold the law and being obstructed. If the police had a bit more support from the left wing pc nambite pambie do gooders, these situations wouldn't occur in the first place.
Scumtard in car wouldn't need a new windscreen if he had complied with coppers request. Coppers, and inner London ones especially, have to deal with the absolute scum of society on an hourly basis.
I've had a similar scumtard come out of his flat threatening my scaffolders with a table leg because they woke him up at 10 am.
These people are scum, they just want to work the system to their advantage, nobody else counts. Copper is a grafter who does an honest day's work to feed his kids, but all of a sudden, he's a rascist nut. No he's not, he's a human being, who is fed up having the piss taken out of him, and what he's trying to do, keep decent folk safe. So enough of the copper bashing, I' m no saint, never have been, but when I got a thick ear of the local Bobby , I gave the man a bit of respect, and therein lies the fault, the erosion of society has loaded opinion in the scums favour, but if any one of the condemners has the balls ls to do what the copper does every day, then go for it ....nah, there ain't none.
Wow. Some prejudice you have there.Scumtard in car wouldn't need a new windscreen if he had complied with coppers request. Coppers, and inner London ones especially, have to deal with the absolute scum of society on an hourly basis.
I've had a similar scumtard come out of his flat threatening my scaffolders with a table leg because they woke him up at 10 am.
These people are scum, they just want to work the system to their advantage, nobody else counts. Copper is a grafter who does an honest day's work to feed his kids, but all of a sudden, he's a rascist nut. No he's not, he's a human being, who is fed up having the piss taken out of him, and what he's trying to do, keep decent folk safe. So enough of the copper bashing, I' m no saint, never have been, but when I got a thick ear of the local Bobby , I gave the man a bit of respect, and therein lies the fault, the erosion of society has loaded opinion in the scums favour, but if any one of the condemners has the balls ls to do what the copper does every day, then go for it ....nah, there ain't none.
I'm sure we have all come across some real knuckle dragging morons. That still does not excuse this coppers behaviour.
I expect our police to use force only when there is no other practical option, or to ensure their own safety when being attacked. No matter whether you or the copper think he was a 'scumtard', or someone other than who he was, he had many other options for how he dealt with that situation.
Was the copper under attack - no.
Was the bloke legally required to comply with the coppers request - no. Did the bloke escalate the situation - no, he just sat there and removed his keys to show he was not going to drive away.
IMHO, even if police are in a situation where force is the only option I think it should be applied only as much as necessary, with control, and never accompanied by a temper tantrum.
So what exactly leads you to judge this guy as 'scumtard'? Colour? teeth grille in his photos? Failing to jump when copper says jump? Being stopped in a s
tty area?I can tell you why I think the copper is a scumtard. He completely loses his s
t and vandalises this guys car without any legal justification for doing so. roofer said:
As previously, I come across them every day. Are his actions justified ? Yes. Because he's trying to uphold the law and being obstructed. If the police had a bit more support from the left wing pc nambite pambie do gooders, these situations wouldn't occur in the first place.
Scumtard in car wouldn't need a new windscreen if he had complied with coppers request. Coppers, and inner London ones especially, have to deal with the absolute scum of society on an hourly basis.
I've had a similar scumtard come out of his flat threatening my scaffolders with a table leg because they woke him up at 10 am.
These people are scum, they just want to work the system to their advantage, nobody else counts. Copper is a grafter who does an honest day's work to feed his kids, but all of a sudden, he's a rascist nut. No he's not, he's a human being, who is fed up having the piss taken out of him, and what he's trying to do, keep decent folk safe. So enough of the copper bashing, I' m no saint, never have been, but when I got a thick ear of the local Bobby , I gave the man a bit of respect, and therein lies the fault, the erosion of society has loaded opinion in the scums favour, but if any one of the condemners has the balls ls to do what the copper does every day, then go for it ....nah, there ain't none.
You may want to note that apparently he stopped another of of "them" not long ago I understand. Cuffed him and held him for 25 minutes because he thought the scooter he was riding had been stolen. Turns out it hadn't and he'd cuffed an innocent man. Scumtard in car wouldn't need a new windscreen if he had complied with coppers request. Coppers, and inner London ones especially, have to deal with the absolute scum of society on an hourly basis.
I've had a similar scumtard come out of his flat threatening my scaffolders with a table leg because they woke him up at 10 am.
These people are scum, they just want to work the system to their advantage, nobody else counts. Copper is a grafter who does an honest day's work to feed his kids, but all of a sudden, he's a rascist nut. No he's not, he's a human being, who is fed up having the piss taken out of him, and what he's trying to do, keep decent folk safe. So enough of the copper bashing, I' m no saint, never have been, but when I got a thick ear of the local Bobby , I gave the man a bit of respect, and therein lies the fault, the erosion of society has loaded opinion in the scums favour, but if any one of the condemners has the balls ls to do what the copper does every day, then go for it ....nah, there ain't none.
Alpinestars said:
That makes it clearer why you hold the views you do.
Who exactly are "these people"?
The Ethniks of course.Who exactly are "these people"?
I'd imagine the roofer has formed an opinion that the innocent man whose car was smashed up is a scumtard using a check-list similar to the one below
Lots of melanin - check
thick lips - check
cornrows -check check check
gold teeth - check
backward facing slanting peace sign (read gang sign) - check check check
London street lingo - check
These people(Ethniks)/Scumtard ALERT
Alpinestars said:
You may want to note that apparently he stopped another of of "them" not long ago I understand. Cuffed him and held him for 25 minutes because he thought the scooter he was riding had been stolen. Turns out it hadn't and he'd cuffed an innocent man.
If your scooter was stolen what would you prefer: this, or the bib doing nothing in case they stop the wrong person. V6Pushfit said:
If your scooter was stolen what would you prefer: this, or the bib doing nothing in case they stop the wrong person.
If my red scooter had been reported stolen and PC Savage had this information, I'd want him to do exactly what he did in the video. If he was also in possession of a report of a black man on a scooter who had recently being involved in a moped enable snatch, I'd want him to do what he did in the video.What I don't want is PC Savage to do is stop random people on a hunch based on his prejudices. In the second video he wasn't even sure what he stopped the man for. It was initially because he thought the man had stolen the scooter because he was pushing it down the high street, then a little while later he thinks the man is involved in moped enabled snatches because of a broken mudguard
V6Pushfit said:
Alpinestars said:
You may want to note that apparently he stopped another of of "them" not long ago I understand. Cuffed him and held him for 25 minutes because he thought the scooter he was riding had been stolen. Turns out it hadn't and he'd cuffed an innocent man.
If your scooter was stolen what would you prefer: this, or the bib doing nothing in case they stop the wrong person. Would you be happy for BIB to stop you on the basis that a random car had been stolen? Cars are stolen every x minutes, that's a lot of innocent people who'd be cuffed.
Alpinestars said:
It's not binary. If a car was stolen, as an innocent driver I would not expect BIB to stop me, handcuff me and hold me for 25 minutes whilst establishing if my car is the stolen one.
Would you be happy for BIB to stop you on the basis that a random car had been stolen? Cars are stolen every x minutes, that's a lot of innocent people who'd be cuffed.
I would suspect you would get out, probably without even being asked, and assist.Would you be happy for BIB to stop you on the basis that a random car had been stolen? Cars are stolen every x minutes, that's a lot of innocent people who'd be cuffed.
V6Pushfit said:
Alpinestars said:
It's not binary. If a car was stolen, as an innocent driver I would not expect BIB to stop me, handcuff me and hold me for 25 minutes whilst establishing if my car is the stolen one.
Would you be happy for BIB to stop you on the basis that a random car had been stolen? Cars are stolen every x minutes, that's a lot of innocent people who'd be cuffed.
I would suspect you would get out, probably without even being asked, and assist.Would you be happy for BIB to stop you on the basis that a random car had been stolen? Cars are stolen every x minutes, that's a lot of innocent people who'd be cuffed.
We all come across dicks every day of the week, but very few decide to take the law into our own hands.
I have a few friends who are policemen/women in South and East London, and I have the utmost respect for them. By and large they remain calm and dignified when dealing with some of the worst that society has to throw at them. For this, they have my absolute admiration, because I could/would not do their job if it paid a King's ransom.
However, the vast majority of those who go into the force do so with their eyes wide open to this being part and parcel of the role. As a result, they don't allow themselves to lose their composure and don't respond to frequent and significant provocation.
Sadly, this PC lost his cool, abandoned procedure and used unnecessary and excessive force (on multiple occasions). It would appear that he is either a victim of poor training, or that he simply isn't cut out for the job. It would probably be justified if the book was thrown at him, to make an example of how the police force place emphasis on behaviour and conduct.
However, the vast majority of those who go into the force do so with their eyes wide open to this being part and parcel of the role. As a result, they don't allow themselves to lose their composure and don't respond to frequent and significant provocation.
Sadly, this PC lost his cool, abandoned procedure and used unnecessary and excessive force (on multiple occasions). It would appear that he is either a victim of poor training, or that he simply isn't cut out for the job. It would probably be justified if the book was thrown at him, to make an example of how the police force place emphasis on behaviour and conduct.
dondadda said:
If my red scooter had been reported stolen and PC Savage had this information, I'd want him to do exactly what he did in the video. If he was also in possession of a report of a black man on a scooter who had recently being involved in a moped enable snatch, I'd want him to do what he did in the video.
Really?In that video it shows a copper who incorrectly thought he had stopped someone suspected of a relatively minor offence in the scheme of things. He went postal because the bloke didn't comply with something that he didn't have to.
Would you feel the same if the same happened to you, and a copper did that to you/your car based on mistaken identity?
Your view of saying it is ok in those circumstances means that any incident gives them carte blanche to go postal without establishing they even have the right person. In this case it seems they certainly didn't have the right person.
Even if this bloke was who they suspected and was driving without a full license, the use of force and the coppers attitude are not proportionate to the offence or the situation.
Coppers are not meant to dole out attitude, aggression and violence as retribution for offences... that is for the courts to enforce. The police should be making sure they have grounds to arrest, arresting people, and booking them into the nick. And they should be doing that with the bare minimum of force. As soon as things escalate it is more dangerous for them as well as the person they are trying to arrest.
spookly said:
Really?
In that video it shows a copper who incorrectly thought he had stopped someone suspected of a relatively minor offence in the scheme of things. He went postal because the bloke didn't comply with something that he didn't have to.
The statement you quoted was in reference to a second video of PC Savage where he stopped a random black man pushing a red scooter on a high street. Someone asked if those criticizing the PC wouldn't want him to stop someone if they had their scooter stolen and my response that you quoted was that a stop would only be justified if the circumstances were right and not just targeting a random black man based on a prejudice.In that video it shows a copper who incorrectly thought he had stopped someone suspected of a relatively minor offence in the scheme of things. He went postal because the bloke didn't comply with something that he didn't have to.
I am definitely no supporter of corrupt and authoritarian police having recently 'won' compensation from the police for unlawful arrest. In my experience PC Savage would not normally have been disciplined but because this has gone viral there is a better chance that the right thing will be done.
The PC that was the subject of my lawsuit is now in bigger trouble so also is the PC who made false statements on his behalf and the investigating officer who dealt with my complaint. What was a simple complaint which could have been resolved with a 'sorry we got things wrong, this is what we will do to remedy it' became a lawsuit and has now turned into a full scale IPCC investigation into the integrity of several officers accused of tampering with video evidence, deliberately providing false information e.t.c.
spookly said:
Coppers are not meant to dole out attitude, aggression and violence as retribution for offences... that is for the courts to enforce. The police should be making sure they have grounds to arrest, arresting people, and booking them into the nick. And they should be doing that with the bare minimum of force.
Absolutely this. People sometimes forget that the police don't exist to apply the law, but to oversee its application. Intelligent officers know that violence/force should be the absolute last resort, and certainly never used as a form of retribution or punishment. However, PC YouTube seems to have missed that day of training.It's pretty obvious that people here either have a positive attitude towards the police or a negative one, same as society in general. The events leading to this thread can be interpreted in different ways according to the inclinations of the interpreter, and as such I expect the thread will continue until everybody has argued each other to a standstill.
RobinOakapple said:
It's pretty obvious that people here either have a positive attitude towards the police or a negative one, same as society in general. The events leading to this thread can be interpreted in different ways according to the inclinations of the interpreter, and as such I expect the thread will continue until everybody has argued each other to a standstill.
No its not/wont 
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