Police Officer Smashes Windscreen

[spookly]

singlecoil said:

Raygun said:

surveyor_101 said:

Typical anti police,

Because someone disagrees with the actions of PC Savage it doesn't make them anti-police. That sort of statement makes it seem the police are beyond criticism.
Hopefully PC Savage will get a custodial sentence to prove there is not one rule for the police and one rule for the public.

Well if that doesn't come across as anti-police I don't know what would. You would be prepared to convict and imprison a policeman on nothing more that the evidence of a small part of the overall event, and provided by the other person in the conflict.

Let's hope the people who have to decide on further action (if any) have a more balanced viewpoint and access to ALL the evidence.

I agree that we don't have enough evidence from just the video to make a sound judgement.

He does not seem to do anything to de-escalate the situation, in fact quite the opposite. And for that alone, regardless of criminal liability, he should be hauled over the internal coals.

But, if he has done this in a way that isn't found to be supported by his legally provided police powers then he should face charges for his actions. Just as any member of the public would face charges for smashing someone's car up in a similar manner. And it should also carry a similar sentence, whether that would normally be custodial or not should be down to the judiciary.

[Greendubber]

Raygun said:

Greendubber said:

You think a member of the public would get a custodial for smashing a windscreen??

If they were going beserk with a boy scouts knife in their hand whilst smashing it, yes.

Dont hold your breath.

[anonymous-user]

Greendubber said:

As I'm over 12 years old can anyone tell me what that yellow circle means?

[singlecoil]

spookly said:

You only have to cooperate with lawful requests. You don't have to jump if a policeman says jump.

Please tell us which lawful requests the policeman in the video made?

That the driver get out of the car.

[Alpinestars]

singlecoil said:

That the driver get out of the car.

Why does he have to get out? It's a demand, or request, not a lawful requirement.

[anonymous-user]

Alpinestars said:

singlecoil said:

That the driver get out of the car.

Why does he have to get out? It's a demand, or request, not a lawful requirement.

Why not?

[Alpinestars]

V6Pushfit said:

Why not?

Run out of crayons for you, sorry.

[anonymous-user]

Alpinestars said:

V6Pushfit said:

Why not?

Run out of crayons for you, sorry.

Alpinestars:

[singlecoil]

Alpinestars said:

singlecoil said:

That the driver get out of the car.

Why does he have to get out? It's a demand, or request, not a lawful requirement.

Wrong. A police officer in the UK is empowered to require a driver to exit a car on request. Whether he has a good reason or not is something that can be gone into afterwards if necessary. At the time that it is made, the request is lawful and should be complied with. If it not complied with then the police officer has the powers to compel the driver to exit.

[Terzo123]

singlecoil said:

Wrong. A police officer in the UK is empowered to require a driver to exit a car on request. Whether he has a good reason or not is something that can be gone into afterwards if necessary. At the time that it is made, the request is lawful and should be complied with. If it not complied with then the police officer has the powers to compel the driver to exit.

This is not correct.

There are however instances where a police officer can remove a person from a vehicle using reasonable force. Generally this happens when that person is under arrest, or detained for the purpose of a search under specific legislation.

Edited by Terzo123 on Saturday 24th September 14:21

[Alpinestars]

singlecoil said:

Wrong. A police officer in the UK is empowered to require a driver to exit a car on request. Whether he has a good reason or not is something that can be gone into afterwards if necessary. At the time that it is made, the request is lawful and should be complied with. If it not complied with then the police officer has the powers to compel the driver to exit.

Can you prove that?

Under the RTA, the power of police officers is set out under Ss 163-167. None of those sections allow an officer to require a driver to get out of the car.

Under stop and search powers, a driver would probably be required to get out, but there are a number of requirements of the office both before and after a stop and search, none of which are evident.

Under S3, as previously discussed, force can be used (note not a requirement to get out of a car, where the force is used in the process of an arrest, or if preventing a crime (which in the stationary vehicle and what is being alleged by the police, is not possible).

Genuine interested if you can point to something which requires the guy to get out of the car. As stated numerous times.

[singlecoil]

Terzo123 said:

singlecoil said:

Wrong. A police officer in the UK is empowered to require a driver to exit a car on request. Whether he has a good reason or not is something that can be gone into afterwards if necessary. At the time that it is made, the request is lawful and should be complied with. If it not complied with then the police officer has the powers to compel the driver to exit.

This is not correct.

There are however instances where a police officer can remove a person from a vehicle using reasonable force. Generally this happens when that person is under arrest, or detained for the purpose of a search under specific legislation.

It is correct.

[surveyor_101]

singlecoil said:

Wrong. A police officer in the UK is empowered to require a driver to exit a car on request. Whether he has a good reason or not is something that can be gone into afterwards if necessary. At the time that it is made, the request is lawful and should be complied with. If it not complied with then the police officer has the powers to compel the driver to exit.

In most traffic stops you are always asked to sit in the back of a police car so the officer has control over what is happening and if you are not supposed to be driving you need to be told when your not in your driving seat, as it's safer.

Any police officer can stop any car and ask for driving documents, they can also search the car, again that's can't be done whilst our stay in it.

If the guy had got out this would of been a none event and all this drama could of avoided. This Leon is anti police and so was after some footage tomale out the met are racist.

If your watch the other video the stop goes pretty well and pc savage seems reasonable.

[Alpinestars]

singlecoil said:

It is correct.

Please provide the proof.

[Terzo123]

singlecoil said:

Terzo123 said:

singlecoil said:

Wrong. A police officer in the UK is empowered to require a driver to exit a car on request. Whether he has a good reason or not is something that can be gone into afterwards if necessary. At the time that it is made, the request is lawful and should be complied with. If it not complied with then the police officer has the powers to compel the driver to exit.

This is not correct.

There are however instances where a police officer can remove a person from a vehicle using reasonable force. Generally this happens when that person is under arrest, or detained for the purpose of a search under specific legislation.

It is correct.

It really isn't.

But i'd be happy to be proved wrong if you could show me the specific legislation.

[Brads67]

V6Pushfit said:

bhstewie said:

Tbh whilst I don't generally do this, whenever I read any of Rovinghawk's posts all I think of these days is this one:

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=2&a...

Presumably it would have been fine if the neighbour had said "I don't have to talk to you" and shut the door on them.

Exactly.
Talk about nimby hypocrisy!

Edited by V6Pushfit on Friday 23 September 20:10

I linked off that onto the burning shed thread and nearly choked to death laughing ! Awsome.

[Alpinestars]

Terzo123 said:

It really isn't.

But i'd be happy to be proved wrong if you could show me the specific legislation.

+1. Genuinely interested. But it has to be the law, not an opinion.

[anonymous-user]

Z

Brads67 said:

I linked off that onto the burning shed thread and nearly choked to death laughing ! Awsome.

Do be careful then.

[RobinOakapple]

Terzo123 said:

singlecoil said:

Terzo123 said:

singlecoil said:

Wrong. A police officer in the UK is empowered to require a driver to exit a car on request. Whether he has a good reason or not is something that can be gone into afterwards if necessary. At the time that it is made, the request is lawful and should be complied with. If it not complied with then the police officer has the powers to compel the driver to exit.

This is not correct.

There are however instances where a police officer can remove a person from a vehicle using reasonable force. Generally this happens when that person is under arrest, or detained for the purpose of a search under specific legislation.

It is correct.

It really isn't.

But i'd be happy to be proved wrong if you could show me the specific legislation.

Check any police website, they will confirm it.

[Alpinestars]

RobinOakapple said:

Check any police website, they will confirm it.

A police website is not law and whatever they say, it's not enforceable, unless supported by the law.

What most police sites seem to be relying on is auto and search. That requires the PC to go through various procedures both before and after the SAS. It wasn't a SAS.