Sectioning Under Mental Health Act

[Tannedbaldhead]

V6Pushfit said:

Having said that is this an injury that's handy to have given the accusation at work?

I can see where you are coming from. In this case the accusation from work is to cover the employer from liability with regards to the accident thus no injury no need for accusation. Relative suffered ruptured disks and muscle torn from disc in fall with patient.

[Tannedbaldhead]

charltjr said:

Tannedbaldhead said:

Pretty sure my relative was temporarily detained prior to being interviewed by a mental health nurse. The process was called a mental health review. Once carried out and having stated they were remorseful, not suicidal and intending to dry out and seek help to do so (all lies and all against what police, paramedics and family had reported) my relative was let go.
I understand drinking itself is not an issue but genuine suicide attempts while drunk is worthy of intervention.
Police are far from happy with the situation.

When you say your relative's statement was all lies do you mean that he's suicidal when sober, or are they only lying about intending to dry out and seek help for the alcohol abuse?

Complicated. Their partner is of the view they would like to dry out but will not engage with the resources who have helped in the past. As for the suicidal thoughts that's that bit more difficult to assess. When sober they wish they were dead but consideration of the impact on others and that deep set sense of self preservation that stops us all from jumping off bridges keeps them in the land of the living. When drunk all bets are off. When sober they are very aware that once the drinking starts the attempted suicides start. There has been one more hospital visit since OP. Relative left hospital with a leaflet for The Samaritans.

[Tannedbaldhead]

I'd like to take this opportunity to praise the BiBs.
Absolutely amazing. Patient, compassionate, empathetic, good humoured and so far the most effective help and providers of the best advice.

In days of yore and in other countries my relative would have taken a good kicking and been locked up for some of the nonsense going on. Has to be restrained and fights back when found wandering in the woods.

Police attitude is the cells and prison are the wrong place for people like this and (this was said with a smile) no point in giving a kicking as there are so many injuries (big drunken face plants and head bouncing off furniture, floors and stairs) that my relative wouldn't notice the extra bruises when sobered up and wouldn't feel the kicks when drunk.

[anonymous-user]

Ouch. That is a horrible position.

Have you tried contacting a charity like MIND for advice? This sort of issue would definitely be something they have experience in.

I can tell you about my experiences and what helped and didn't for me but every case is different and I don't have anything else constructive to offer, I'm sorry.

[anonymous-user]

Tannedbaldhead said:

V6Pushfit said:

Having said that is this an injury that's handy to have given the accusation at work?

I can see where you are coming from. In this case the accusation from work is to cover the employer from liability with regards to the accident thus no injury no need for accusation. Relative suffered ruptured disks and muscle torn from disc in fall with patient.

If it's discs it's chiropractor!!! Get her seen ASAP and it'll mean no more pills and a MUCH quicker recovery - don't delay get an appointment. Alcohol does dull back pain so thats another reason for the drinking.

[Ms R.Saucy]

V6Pushfit said:

If it's discs it's chiropractor!!! Get her seen ASAP and it'll mean no more pills and a MUCH quicker recovery - don't delay get an appointment. Alcohol does dull back pain so thats another reason for the drinking.

chiroQuacktic is dangerous and has No evidence base.

[anonymous-user]

Saw mine just yesterday after an injury at the weekend and been bent bloody double since - couldn't reverse the car. Had no problems at all and back to normal when I left - full movement and it's as though it never happened. All for two clicks. Brilliant for the self employed who can't take weeks off on full pay on a doctors note and an NHS waiting list.

Edited by V6Pushfit on Wednesday 21st December 20:26

[Ms R.Saucy]

V6Pushfit said:

Saw mine just yesterday after an injury at the weekend and been bent bloody double since - couldn't reverse the car. Had no problems at all and back to normal when I left - full movement and it's as though it never happened. All for two clicks. Brilliant for the self employed who can't take weeks off on full pay on a doctors note and an NHS waiting list.

Edited by V6Pushfit on Wednesday 21st December 20:26

until they paralyse you or you have a stroke due to verterbral artery rupture


there is no evidence base to any of the woo they peddle http://chiromt.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/...

[anonymous-user]

Ms R.Saucy said:

V6Pushfit said:

Saw mine just yesterday after an injury at the weekend and been bent bloody double since - couldn't reverse the car. Had no problems at all and back to normal when I left - full movement and it's as though it never happened. All for two clicks. Brilliant for the self employed who can't take weeks off on full pay on a doctors note and an NHS waiting list.

Edited by V6Pushfit on Wednesday 21st December 20:26

until they paralyse you or you have a stroke due to verterbral artery rupture


there is no evidence base to any of the woo they peddle http://chiromt.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/...

What about tripping up on the entrance step it bloody lethal at leat 2 inches of vertical drop with not a single warning notice

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cGmMO3Y8a_w

Edited by V6Pushfit on Thursday 22 December 07:23

[S11Steve]

Monospace said:

vonhosen said:

I'm afraid you can't help a drunk (alcoholic) who doesn't want to be helped.

That's the spirit!

Harsh, but true. Having spent (wasted..?) five years of my live trying to help my ex, I realised that help can only start from within.
Where you can try to guide them is to offer them an insight to a happier future without alcohol, but coupled with depression I found this an impossible challenge for me.

I feel the pain of the OP, wanting to help, but being helpless under the circumstances.

[Mr Teddy Bear]

Pilates is the answer as far as soft tissue spinal injuries are concerned. If the muscles surrounding the injury have gone into permanant spasm, they need to be relaxed first by massage. I speak from experience and I found that manipulating my legs just caused horrendous pain.

The cure for a bad back is gentle movement of the spine.

I would add that you can't fight anybody with a seized up back, drunk or not, it's just too painful and restrictive imo.

[Ms R.Saucy]

Mr Teddy Bear said:

Pilates is the answer as far as soft tissue spinal injuries are concerned. If the muscles surrounding the injury have gone into permanant spasm, they need to be relaxed first by massage. I speak from experience and I found that manipulating my legs just caused horrendous pain.

The cure for a bad back is gentle movement of the spine.

I would add that you can't fight anybody with a seized up back, drunk or not, it's just too painful and restrictive imo.

which is the approach that physios, 'allopathic' Doctors with an interest or Osteopaths might suggest, rather than missing the term subluxation ... actual spinal subluxations are vanishingly rare and require huge forces to cause them i nthe absence of co-morbidity

[Ross_T_Boss]

Seeing as this one was dragged back up... any progress for the OP?

This sounds terribly similar to the story of a friends husband. Tragically he succeeded in his suicide attenpts about 2 months ago, causing further devastation for the wife and 7yr old son. I hope the OP was able to get the neccesary help for his relative and avoid a similar outcome.