Alfa Guilia lease costs. You're aavin' a larf, mate.
Discussion
Ginge R said:
Agreed, but if they want to compete with VAG, MB and Jaguar..?
Even by their standards, this is a shocker of an implicit depreciation.
Agree completely, the only way they will shift volumes is if they can compete in the private/business lease section. Even by their standards, this is a shocker of an implicit depreciation.
But what can they do if the market dictates it will depreciate like a stone? Lower the forecourt price? Subsidise the Lease market? Provide a huge warranty that boosts the Resale price? All sound like huge financial risk.
kbf1981 said:
So £10K down, 48 payments of £719 (£34,500) and a final payment of £19,250. I wonder what it'll be worth at 4 years and 50K miles as if it's £25k+ that stacks up quite well against a lot of M3/M4 lease deals I've seen.
Ginge R said:
Guess I won't be getting one after all then. Quite possibly after all, it's a BMW, Audi, Jaguar or Mercedes for me. 
Edit: Spelling biff - Giulia.
Its been destroying Alfa sales opportunities for years - kack residuals makes them uncompetitive in a PCP / lease driven market.Edit: Spelling biff - Giulia.
Edited by Ginge R on Friday 23 September 19:01
Not helped by Alfas "optimistic" retail pricing.
Evanivitch said:
Ginge R said:
Agreed, but if they want to compete with VAG, MB and Jaguar..?
Even by their standards, this is a shocker of an implicit depreciation.
Agree completely, the only way they will shift volumes is if they can compete in the private/business lease section. Even by their standards, this is a shocker of an implicit depreciation.
But what can they do if the market dictates it will depreciate like a stone? Lower the forecourt price? Subsidise the Lease market? Provide a huge warranty that boosts the Resale price? All sound like huge financial risk.
SWoll said:
Evanivitch said:
Ginge R said:
Agreed, but if they want to compete with VAG, MB and Jaguar..?
Even by their standards, this is a shocker of an implicit depreciation.
Agree completely, the only way they will shift volumes is if they can compete in the private/business lease section. Even by their standards, this is a shocker of an implicit depreciation.
But what can they do if the market dictates it will depreciate like a stone? Lower the forecourt price? Subsidise the Lease market? Provide a huge warranty that boosts the Resale price? All sound like huge financial risk.
Offer the sort of discount to the leasining companies that they need to offer competitive lease deals against competitors cars.
I bet even their own PCP deals are crap though - they expect people to pay through the nose for their product, but havent got the balls to underwrite the PCP deals with decent residuals.
It's not the depreciation but the fact that Alfa appear not to be giving massive discounts off list in the first place which allows cheap lease deals.
BMW are giving 20% off 3-Series at the moment and Mercedes nearer 25%. If Alfa are actually selling them for the asking price then the prices will be more.
Of course Alfa could argue they are making a lot more per car so aren't as concerned about volume at this stage.
BMW are giving 20% off 3-Series at the moment and Mercedes nearer 25%. If Alfa are actually selling them for the asking price then the prices will be more.
Of course Alfa could argue they are making a lot more per car so aren't as concerned about volume at this stage.
Wills2 said:
They're still laughably rubbish, 7k in on a 4 pot diesel? You can get a 313hp 335d M sport for £449 in and £449 a month.
I tweeted the very same comparison earlier. Alfa will get nowhere like this. Their hands may be tied to an extent, but it's tantamount to being happy with being regarded as an also ran, not a major player.
confused_buyer said:
Of course Alfa could argue they are making a lot more per car so aren't as concerned about volume at this stage.
Agree, but if they're going for yield and not volume, they'll lose the critical mass you get when you start to be seen everywhere.. an acceptable car. If they want to compete, and they said that this was the car to do it, what they seem to be doing is a bit like asking a sprinter to pace himself and take things easy in the first couple of seconds of an Olympic final. I'd love to get one of these on lease.... but not at those prices.
We'll have to wait and see if the prices soften a bit after a while. While BMW and Merc are offering big discounts on some models, they often don't on newly released models. The discounts tend to come when slack in the production schedule starts to result in unsold factory slots.
I don't think many manufacturers offer any incentives if all the available factory slots are being sold at RRP, why would they?
We'll have to wait and see if the prices soften a bit after a while. While BMW and Merc are offering big discounts on some models, they often don't on newly released models. The discounts tend to come when slack in the production schedule starts to result in unsold factory slots.
I don't think many manufacturers offer any incentives if all the available factory slots are being sold at RRP, why would they?
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