Glove laws, thank fook for Brexit :)
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I wonder if the Frenchies will try to get their new glove laws enforced across the EU?
http://www.morebikes.co.uk/france-makes-gloves-com...
http://www.morebikes.co.uk/france-makes-gloves-com...
) remember arguing that compulsory helmets were the thin end of a very big wedge.TooMany2cvs said:
bogie said:
I wonder if the Frenchies will try to get their new glove laws enforced across the EU?
They're French laws, not European ones.irrelevant to the question
They're also basic bloody common sense.
are you also in favour of compulsion to do everything else which is "common sense"? If so, who is the arbiter of same?
Pothole said:
TooMany2cvs said:
bogie said:
I wonder if the Frenchies will try to get their new glove laws enforced across the EU?
They're French laws, not European ones.The French can no more "try to get" their laws enforced by other European countries than the UK can. Or the Germans. Or any other country.
Pothole said:
TooMany2cvs said:
They're also basic bloody common sense.
are you also in favour of compulsion to do everything else which is "common sense"? If so, who is the arbiter of same?I am fairly libertarian. If someone doesn't want to wear protective clothing that is their right. What gets my goat is that those same people that claim "don't nanny me" about such rules never say "don't nanny mr" when it comes to accepting NHS healthcare to put them back together after they crash or refuse disability or other benefits. If you don't want to play by the rules that is form but be consistent.
So what, the French have said wear gloves - only an idiot would ride without them anyway. The natural reaction when falling is to put your hands down, hands and tarmac aren't a good combination.
Having seen the state of a colleagues hands after coming of a pushbike at 35/40 mph there's no way way I'd want to see what happens at higher speeds.
Still if you really want to ignore common sense and risk f
king your hands up... You still can if you wish (unless you ride in France, in which case, after 20/11/16, you'll have to by law)
Having seen the state of a colleagues hands after coming of a pushbike at 35/40 mph there's no way way I'd want to see what happens at higher speeds.
Still if you really want to ignore common sense and risk f
king your hands up... You still can if you wish (unless you ride in France, in which case, after 20/11/16, you'll have to by law) If you feel that strongly about your freedoms. Wear those disposable gloves from petrol stations, they'll offer you no protection (except from fuel spills) as is your right, but you'll still comply with the law. Job done.
I wonder if you'll fall foul of the French if you're wearing mittens on your bike?
I wonder if you'll fall foul of the French if you're wearing mittens on your bike?
I wear gloves all the time, even when just on a cycle.
It was more the fact that a law is being brought in for such common sense stuff. I guess its only like the helmet laws. People still argue against wearing those in some states in the USA.
In 20 years time perhaps we will be enforced to wear protective clothing.....
It was more the fact that a law is being brought in for such common sense stuff. I guess its only like the helmet laws. People still argue against wearing those in some states in the USA.
In 20 years time perhaps we will be enforced to wear protective clothing.....
WaferThinHam said:
If you feel that strongly about your freedoms. Wear those disposable gloves from petrol stations, they'll offer you no protection (except from fuel spills) as is your right, but you'll still comply with the law. Job done.
Unfortunately for that theory, the law does actually require them to be proper certified gloves...Nobody is suggesting riding without gloves, that would be barking mad. What is infuriating is bureaucrats and politicians assuming they know better than us. If we accept that whether we wear gloves is their decision rather than ours what's to stop them changing their minds and making it illegal to wear gloves?
WaferThinHam said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Unfortunately for that theory, the law does actually require them to be proper certified gloves...
Couldn't find a link to the law, only a couple of sites that said "protective", nothing more. Got a link to the law the French have passed?https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do;jses...
La loi said:
Art. R. 431-1-2.-En circulation, tout conducteur ou passager d'une motocyclette, d'un tricycle à moteur, d'un quadricycle à moteur ou d'un cyclomoteur doit porter des gants conformes à la réglementation relative aux équipements de protection individuelle.
TooMany2cvs said:
WaferThinHam said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Unfortunately for that theory, the law does actually require them to be proper certified gloves...
Couldn't find a link to the law, only a couple of sites that said "protective", nothing more. Got a link to the law the French have passed?https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/affichTexte.do;jses...
La loi said:
Art. R. 431-1-2.-En circulation, tout conducteur ou passager d'une motocyclette, d'un tricycle à moteur, d'un quadricycle à moteur ou d'un cyclomoteur doit porter des gants conformes à la réglementation relative aux équipements de protection individuelle.
You could argue that disposable filling station gloves are PPE, just not certified for motorcycle usage.
A lot of Dainese and alpinestars gloves feature "CE approved" armour, but the whole glove is in fact not....only HELD, Furygan, and a few others do fully CE certified gloves (although this may have changed recently).
If Dainese for example were to say "CE approved" armour, but the rest of the glove wasn't, then the French could argue it isn't proper PPE.
TLDR, what is "PPE" and what isn't.
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