A Bridge Too Far?

[Greendubber]

XCP said:

Greendubber said:

Rovinghawk said:

I'm presuming you're white & therefore the description is accurate.

What absolute rubbish.

He wouldn't have the balls to post that if you were black.

Indeed.

[Bigends]

Greendubber said:

TooMany2cvs said:

jesta1865 said:

it has been reported that his comment was a reply to one of the protesters who told him to go away as he wasn't welcome.

Oh, no! Somebody at a demo said horrible things to a Policeman!

When you've stood there and been shouted at for hours on end see if you still have the same opinion.

I've been verbally abused for hours on end by people who are just waiting for a reaction to jump all over, its a common tactic. Wind someone up, call them every name under the sun and then act all offended when they get a reply.

So yes, someone did say something horrible to a police officer, its not his job to be abused.

Its his job not to respond to it and take it personally though..and yes..I policed plenty of demos including the miners strike, Peace camps and Greenham common on mutual aid over the years

[singlecoil]

Bigends said:

Greendubber said:

TooMany2cvs said:

jesta1865 said:

it has been reported that his comment was a reply to one of the protesters who told him to go away as he wasn't welcome.

Oh, no! Somebody at a demo said horrible things to a Policeman!

When you've stood there and been shouted at for hours on end see if you still have the same opinion.

I've been verbally abused for hours on end by people who are just waiting for a reaction to jump all over, its a common tactic. Wind someone up, call them every name under the sun and then act all offended when they get a reply.

So yes, someone did say something horrible to a police officer, its not his job to be abused.

Its his job not to respond to it and take it personally though..and yes..I policed plenty of demos including the miners strike, Peace camps and Greenham common on mutual aid over the years

The fact that he shouldn't have taken it the way he did and responded the way he did is somewhere between obvious and bleeding obvious. The issue is whether it amounted to anything actually culpable or not.

It didn't.

[Greendubber]

Bigends said:

Greendubber said:

TooMany2cvs said:

jesta1865 said:

it has been reported that his comment was a reply to one of the protesters who told him to go away as he wasn't welcome.

Oh, no! Somebody at a demo said horrible things to a Policeman!

When you've stood there and been shouted at for hours on end see if you still have the same opinion.

I've been verbally abused for hours on end by people who are just waiting for a reaction to jump all over, its a common tactic. Wind someone up, call them every name under the sun and then act all offended when they get a reply.

So yes, someone did say something horrible to a police officer, its not his job to be abused.

Its his job not to respond to it and take it personally though..and yes..I policed plenty of demos including the miners strike, Peace camps and Greenham common on mutual aid over the years

Still does not detract from the fact its not his job to be shouted at and abused by the protesters though does it?

You'll know all too well about protesters who are not protesting against the police that decide to aim their venom at the officers that are there to facilitate peaceful protest then. I've been there too and I personally just dont engage as its utterly pointless but I have some degree of understanding with those that do after a few hours of being a verbal (and often physical) punch bag.

[XCP]

The 'protesters' seem to be committing a fair S.5 PO Act in the video. 'Harassment alarm or distress' surely. I'd have warned them, and if they didn't shut up, nicked them.

[andy_s]

Agree ^

Fuss over nothing and if you want to dissect the whole thing then the protestors should have been warned and then nicked.

[TooMany2cvs]

heebeegeetee said:

Well that's exactly it, isn't it? They complaining because there isn't anyone to 'police' things properly in their own country

I have no idea which country "belongs" to the people in the article. For all I know, they may well be British citizens. They may even have been born here. Doesn't that make the UK "their country"?

[Rovinghawk]

Greendubber said:

I personally just dont engage as its utterly pointless

I put out a tiny piece of bait & you went for it.

[Greendubber]

Rovinghawk said:

Greendubber said:

I personally just dont engage as its utterly pointless

I put out a tiny piece of bait & you went for it.

Ahhhh another selective quote, ignoring the context in which it was posted in an attempt to come across as a smart arse. Classic Rovinghawk modus operandi right there.

You really need to get a better hobby as its obvious what you meant in your earlier post. Another opportunity for you to type away another little dig from the safety of behind your keyboard, "oooh I covertly called a police officer a c#nt"

You simply cannot help yourself.

Well I hope it gave you the little boost your sad, tiresome pathetic life obviously needs. You've initially said it was a joke, now its bait... make your mind up. I strongly suspect this is just bluster as it didnt go the way you wanted.

[heebeegeetee]

TooMany2cvs said:

heebeegeetee said:

Well that's exactly it, isn't it? They complaining because there isn't anyone to 'police' things properly in their own country

I have no idea which country "belongs" to the people in the article. For all I know, they may well be British citizens. They may even have been born here. Doesn't that make the UK "their country"?

Well, if we feel we belong to a society, then we might have opinions and thoughts about the society we belong to, and might even go as far to say "our society" or "our country" or whatever, it doesn't really matter, it's pretty much a matter of semantics. A person at any time might refer to 'my home', 'my homeland', 'my street', my town, my country or whatever. Are the perpetually offended saying none of those things should be said?

We don't know what was said nor by whom, but I assume the officer was addressing a point, and why shouldn't he? It doesn't make him racist. I presume a conversation had taken place and the person or persons he was addressing may have made it clear they're not from London or the UK, otherwise it's a pretty pointless thing to say (and makes him even less a racist).

From what I can see pretty much everyone in the film was of the same race, so I'm struggling to see how anyone was racist there.

[TooMany2cvs]

heebeegeetee said:

Are the perpetually offended saying none of those things should be said?

Let's just remind ourselves...

The policeman's comment implied that he had more right to have his opinion respected because this is "his country" - ie, his skin is lighter than theirs, and he's from Anglo-Saxon origins while they aren't.

[singlecoil]

TooMany2cvs said:

heebeegeetee said:

Are the perpetually offended saying none of those things should be said?

Let's just remind ourselves...

The policeman's comment implied that he had more right to have his opinion respected because this is "his country" - ie, his skin is lighter than theirs, and he's from Anglo-Saxon origins while they aren't.

It did nothing of the sort.

[Rovinghawk]

Greendubber said:

Rovinghawk said:

Greendubber said:

I personally just dont engage as its utterly pointless

I put out a tiny piece of bait & you went for it.

Ahhhh another selective quote, ignoring the context in which it was posted in an attempt to come across as a smart arse. Classic Rovinghawk modus operandi right there.

You really need to get a better hobby as its obvious what you meant in your earlier post. Another opportunity for you to type away another little dig from the safety of behind your keyboard, "oooh I covertly called a police officer a c#nt"

You simply cannot help yourself.

Well I hope it gave you the little boost your sad, tiresome pathetic life obviously needs. You've initially said it was a joke, now its bait... make your mind up. I strongly suspect this is just bluster as it didnt go the way you wanted.

Bullseye.

[Greendubber]

Rovinghawk said:

Greendubber said:

Rovinghawk said:

Greendubber said:

I personally just dont engage as its utterly pointless

I put out a tiny piece of bait & you went for it.

Ahhhh another selective quote, ignoring the context in which it was posted in an attempt to come across as a smart arse. Classic Rovinghawk modus operandi right there.

You really need to get a better hobby as its obvious what you meant in your earlier post. Another opportunity for you to type away another little dig from the safety of behind your keyboard, "oooh I covertly called a police officer a c#nt"

You simply cannot help yourself.

Well I hope it gave you the little boost your sad, tiresome pathetic life obviously needs. You've initially said it was a joke, now its bait... make your mind up. I strongly suspect this is just bluster as it didnt go the way you wanted.

Bullseye.

I hope you're getting the gratification you crave.

Pathetic.

[XCP]

You're just looking silly now. You tried to make light of a racist and thoroughly rude remark to another poster, and now you seem to be backtracking. Best not to say anymore on the subject. We have all seen the way you operate.

[anonymous-user]

jith said:

In an attempt to take some heat from the smashed windscreen debate, here is something else to get your teeth into:- https://www.rt.com/uk/360655-police-protest-kurd-r...

I have always detested political correctness, the manner in which it frequently suppresses the truth and the stupidity it generates, and this to me, is a classic example.

How on earth can this copper's remarks be construed as racist? Unlike most others at this rally, it IS his country: he was born and brought up in it, and has served his country and the people as a police officer for most of his life. He has every right to assert this, and they have no right to deny him that.

We are descending into the worst kind of darkness in this country because we don't control those who arrive here with their problems and dump them on our doorstep.

J

Not commenting on the actual issue but RT is a st stirring broadcasting company run by the Russian state!
For all the faults of the BBC and the like they are much more genuine than that Russian crap. I'm very critical of some of the political bias with the BBC but don't be hoodwinked by RT, the have one aim when it comes to us and the Americans 'To stir the st'.

[Cat]

XCP said:

You're just looking silly now. You tried to make light of a racist and thoroughly rude remark to another poster, and now you seem to be backtracking. Best not to say anymore on the subject. We have all seen the way you operate.

+1. Truly pathetic and disingenuous; RH at his best.

Cat

[XCP]

Strangely, the Mail, whilst not known for being very pro-police, has a significantly different slant on the incident.
If I had more IT skills than my dog I could provide a link, but sadly that is beyond me.

[Rovinghawk]

XCP said:

a racist and thoroughly rude remark to another poster

Not racist at all, just taking the mick so as to get a reaction. He reacted.

[TooMany2cvs]

singlecoil said:

TooMany2cvs said:

heebeegeetee said:

Are the perpetually offended saying none of those things should be said?

Let's just remind ourselves...

The policeman's comment implied that he had more right to have his opinion respected because this is "his country" - ie, his skin is lighter than theirs, and he's from Anglo-Saxon origins while they aren't.

It did nothing of the sort.

IYHO.
ITHO of the policeman, too, I would imagine.
MHO differs.
The HOs of those who it was aimed at clearly differed.

So it's down to those who are actually investigating to decide, isn't it? And while that investigation is carried out, the policeman himself has been placed on "restricted duties". If those investigating agree with YHO, then everything's lovely. If, otoh, they agree with MHO, then he's sitting next to a fan in the middle of the monkey enclosure at London Zoo...