A Bridge Too Far?

[singlecoil]

That's your opinion, but the implication is something else entirely.

[Hugo a Gogo]

heebeegeetee said:

Hugo a Gogo said:

yes, I suppose he may have questioned them all first about their residence status

Or maybe the reason some of those people know how bad things are for Kurds in Turkey is that they are from there and said so.

you can be from Turkey and still be British

[heebeegeetee]

Hugo a Gogo said:

you can be from Turkey and still be British

But maybe they said they weren't.

Look come on, its a pretty stupid thing to say in London. Now I might be wrong but I've credited the bobby with a little bit more nous than that, you can see he wasn't born yesterday. I certainly wouldn't immediately jump to the conclusion that he's a racist because you're making the same judgments imo.

The issue in that footage is the abuse, and they're abusing him because they know he can't fight back, which just makes it bullying, which makes them the same as him if not worse.

[Hugo a Gogo]

it's a pretty stupid thing for a policeman to say anywhere '..in my country'

if he'd just said 'You can't tell me what to do' it would have just been pointless bluster, now it's pointless bluster with racist (nationalist anyway) overtones, whether he meant them or not
it's part of standard racist rhetoric

if a cop had said it to me, here in Germany, I would have also felt it was clearly aimed at me being foreign

[heebeegeetee]

Hugo a Gogo said:

it's a pretty stupid thing for a policeman to say anywhere '..in my country'

if he'd just said 'You can't tell me what to do' it would have just been pointless bluster, now it's pointless bluster with racist (nationalist anyway) overtones, whether he meant them or not
it's part of standard racist rhetoric

if a cop had said it to me, here in Germany, I would have also felt it was clearly aimed at me being foreign

Well I just think if that bothers you more than the abuse, you've gone too far down another wrong path.

[Hugo a Gogo]

heebeegeetee said:

Well I just think if that bothers you more than the abuse, you've gone too far down another wrong path.

whataboutery

should be water off a duck's back to the cop, no excuse for the stupid response

if the abuse is that bad, arrest them

[heebeegeetee]

Hugo a Gogo said:

whataboutery

should be water off a duck's back to the cop, no excuse for the stupid response

if the abuse is that bad, arrest them

Victim blaming whilst excusing or ignoring the aholes abusing someone. You and they are part of the problem, not the solution.

If everyone takes the view that it's ok to abuse someone because xyz, where will we end up? Protesting on the streets of London maybe? Oh, hang on...

[Hugo a Gogo]

What? Victim blaming! That's quite a leap from talking about an unprofessional comment from a uniformed cop. And now I'm the problem, love it!

[TooMany2cvs]

Seems very simple to me.

A complaint has been received.
Either that complaint can just be dismissed out of hand or investigated. It's generally accepted that it's a good idea to investigate complaints, right?

So... if that complaint really is as trivial as made out, then it'll get thrown straight out, right? No problem, no stain on his record.

[Stickyfinger]

IF I did what the "protesters" were doing, why would I not get arrested for harassment ?

[TooMany2cvs]

Stickyfinger said:

IF I did what the "protesters" were doing, why would I not get arrested for harassment ?

Whether the protesters were breaking the law or not, whether they were arrested or not, is irrelevant to the complaint against the PC. There is no exchange rate between wrongs and rights. It might be mitigation when it comes to deciding the punishment IF the complaint is upheld, but that's a separate question.

[Stickyfinger]

TooMany2cvs said:

Whether the protesters were breaking the law or not, whether they were arrested or not, is irrelevant to the complaint against the PC. There is no exchange rate between wrongs and rights. It might be mitigation when it comes to deciding the punishment IF the complaint is upheld, but that's a separate question.

Are you going to answer ?

[TooMany2cvs]

Stickyfinger said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Whether the protesters were breaking the law or not, whether they were arrested or not, is irrelevant to the complaint against the PC. There is no exchange rate between wrongs and rights. It might be mitigation when it comes to deciding the punishment IF the complaint is upheld, but that's a separate question.

Are you going to answer ?

Re-read what I posted, and you'll have your answer.

[XCP]

TooMany2cvs said:

Seems very simple to me.

A complaint has been received.
Either that complaint can just be dismissed out of hand or investigated. It's generally accepted that it's a good idea to investigate complaints, right?

So... if that complaint really is as trivial as made out, then it'll get thrown straight out, right? No problem, no stain on his record.

I wouldn't bank on it. Trivial matters tend to get given attention out of all proportion when police officers are involved.

[TooMany2cvs]

XCP said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Seems very simple to me.

A complaint has been received.
Either that complaint can just be dismissed out of hand or investigated. It's generally accepted that it's a good idea to investigate complaints, right?

So... if that complaint really is as trivial as made out, then it'll get thrown straight out, right? No problem, no stain on his record.

I wouldn't bank on it. Trivial matters tend to get given attention out of all proportion when police officers are involved.

The people investigating do nothing BUT investigate complaints against police officers. It's their job.

[XCP]

TooMany2cvs said:

The people investigating do nothing BUT investigate complaints against police officers. It's their job.

I Know. I have been subject of their enquiries numerous times. Your point being?