Spot the career criminal - video and rant.
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768 said:
I really don't want to be posting in SP&L again, but...
No you weren't just explaining how the system works. You can't use words like want, effective and idea without conceding that you completely coloured it with your own views. Views which at least from my perspective seem entirely incongruent with the views of most others.
Individuals holding vested interests behind their opinions is not conspiracy. It's explicitly not conspiracy.
Accusing anyone who disagrees with you of having a vested interest when you have no evidence is entirely the realm of the conspiracy theorist. You might as well have called him a shil. No you weren't just explaining how the system works. You can't use words like want, effective and idea without conceding that you completely coloured it with your own views. Views which at least from my perspective seem entirely incongruent with the views of most others.
Individuals holding vested interests behind their opinions is not conspiracy. It's explicitly not conspiracy.
Same as using the term "drinking the kool aid". Why not just throw in Sheeple
His views are incongruent with yours any many on PH but I don't think you can say most others in general.
I asked a simple question. I don't ask everyone on here the same question. And there's an obvious chasm between asking an individual if they have a vested interest and thinking there's a group of people malevolently plotting in the shadows here.
Quite why you're looking for conspiracy theorists where there are none I don't know. And for the avoidance of doubt, no, that's not me accusing you of being in a conspiracy against conspiracy theorists.
Quite why you're looking for conspiracy theorists where there are none I don't know. And for the avoidance of doubt, no, that's not me accusing you of being in a conspiracy against conspiracy theorists.
768 said:
I asked a simple question. I don't ask everyone on here the same question. And there's an obvious chasm between asking an individual if they have a vested interest and thinking there's a group of people malevolently plotting in the shadows here.
Quite why you're looking for conspiracy theorists where there are none I don't know. And for the avoidance of doubt, no, that's not me accusing you of being in a conspiracy against conspiracy theorists.
Christ it's too early for that level of contortion!Quite why you're looking for conspiracy theorists where there are none I don't know. And for the avoidance of doubt, no, that's not me accusing you of being in a conspiracy against conspiracy theorists.
768 said:
No you weren't just explaining how the system works. You can't use words like want, effective and idea without conceding that you completely coloured it with your own views. Views which at least from my perspective seem entirely incongruent with the views of most others.
No, the thing that I can't do is control how other people are going to interpret simple English words especially if they have an agenda.768 said:
Individuals holding vested interests behind their opinions is not conspiracy. It's explicitly not conspiracy.
As I might have mentioned previously, my only vested interest in speed limit enforcement is that of a driver who wishes to avoid being caught speeding, and who instead simply sets out on his journeys ten minutes earlier. It's a very long time since I considered driving fast on public roads in this country to be in any way at all exciting.I am really struggling to think of a "vested interest" that singlecoil might have.
If he were trafpol, he doesn't stand to benefit from the OP fine/course.
Perhaps 768 thinks he works for the AA or whoever runs the Speed Awareness courses and is hoping to earn an extra penny or two from the OP.
Maybe 768 thinks that he is a shareholder in Tele-Traffic (the maker of the LTI 20-20)?
Honestly what possible vested interest did you have in mind?
Wait - I know.
Trafpol reading his posts will see them as support for their job and preferentially book him for kitchen refits!!! That's it!!
If he were trafpol, he doesn't stand to benefit from the OP fine/course.
Perhaps 768 thinks he works for the AA or whoever runs the Speed Awareness courses and is hoping to earn an extra penny or two from the OP.
Maybe 768 thinks that he is a shareholder in Tele-Traffic (the maker of the LTI 20-20)?
Honestly what possible vested interest did you have in mind?
Wait - I know.
Trafpol reading his posts will see them as support for their job and preferentially book him for kitchen refits!!! That's it!!
TTommy said:
funkyrobot said:
When you next drive down the hill, take a look in the mirror. You will then see the hazard.
That could well be the gayest thing I've ever seen written on the interweb. I wouldn't dare look in the mirror, not with all those kittens awaiting to be killed from my few extra MPH.Fancy a bum?
Pete317 said:
Foliage said:
stop being a whiney b
h, take it like a man, admit you made a mistake, stop acting like a child. You risked speeding you were caught, im sure you've been over the speed limit many times before, just this time you were caught.
Feel better now?h, take it like a man, admit you made a mistake, stop acting like a child. You risked speeding you were caught, im sure you've been over the speed limit many times before, just this time you were caught.I really don't get this thread.
There are some situations where you might have been able to feel some sympathy for the OP but this isn't one of them. He was caught doing 38 mph in a 30 limit on a section of road where even a vaguely competant driver can see that there are plenty of hazards. I get that on a car forum there is always going to be a certain amount of resentment over speed cameras and if the OP had been enjoying a bit of a blast on a deserted, well sighted country road relatively free of hazards or doing 80 on the motorway then i'd understand the frustration, but in this situation I don't get the indignation at him getting stick. In order to qualify for being a car enthusiast do you automatically need to support anyone breaking the speed limit regardless? Also I'd have thought that an enthusiast might just pride themselves on their ability to spot hazards and to drive accordingly. IMHO anyone who believes that doing 38 down that stretch of road isn't quite as good a driver as they think. The whole thing about cash cows and targets is just daft. These are precisely the kind of locations where there should be more speed cameras rather than on motorways. I don't know of the OP has children, but one of the things that really gave me an appreciation of the importance of not speeding in built up areas is when my kids started crossing the road with me. Speeding cars make this so much more difficult and hazardous.
There are some situations where you might have been able to feel some sympathy for the OP but this isn't one of them. He was caught doing 38 mph in a 30 limit on a section of road where even a vaguely competant driver can see that there are plenty of hazards. I get that on a car forum there is always going to be a certain amount of resentment over speed cameras and if the OP had been enjoying a bit of a blast on a deserted, well sighted country road relatively free of hazards or doing 80 on the motorway then i'd understand the frustration, but in this situation I don't get the indignation at him getting stick. In order to qualify for being a car enthusiast do you automatically need to support anyone breaking the speed limit regardless? Also I'd have thought that an enthusiast might just pride themselves on their ability to spot hazards and to drive accordingly. IMHO anyone who believes that doing 38 down that stretch of road isn't quite as good a driver as they think. The whole thing about cash cows and targets is just daft. These are precisely the kind of locations where there should be more speed cameras rather than on motorways. I don't know of the OP has children, but one of the things that really gave me an appreciation of the importance of not speeding in built up areas is when my kids started crossing the road with me. Speeding cars make this so much more difficult and hazardous.
Devil2575 said:
I really don't get this thread.
There are some situations where you might have been able to feel some sympathy for the OP but this isn't one of them. He was caught doing 38 mph in a 30 limit on a section of road where even a vaguely competant driver can see that there are plenty of hazards. I get that on a car forum there is always going to be a certain amount of resentment over speed cameras and if the OP had been enjoying a bit of a blast on a deserted, well sighted country road relatively free of hazards or doing 80 on the motorway then i'd understand the frustration, but in this situation I don't get the indignation at him getting stick. In order to qualify for being a car enthusiast do you automatically need to support anyone breaking the speed limit regardless? Also I'd have thought that an enthusiast might just pride themselves on their ability to spot hazards and to drive accordingly. IMHO anyone who believes that doing 38 down that stretch of road isn't quite as good a driver as they think. The whole thing about cash cows and targets is just daft. These are precisely the kind of locations where there should be more speed cameras rather than on motorways. I don't know of the OP has children, but one of the things that really gave me an appreciation of the importance of not speeding in built up areas is when my kids started crossing the road with me. Speeding cars make this so much more difficult and hazardous.
Bang on.There are some situations where you might have been able to feel some sympathy for the OP but this isn't one of them. He was caught doing 38 mph in a 30 limit on a section of road where even a vaguely competant driver can see that there are plenty of hazards. I get that on a car forum there is always going to be a certain amount of resentment over speed cameras and if the OP had been enjoying a bit of a blast on a deserted, well sighted country road relatively free of hazards or doing 80 on the motorway then i'd understand the frustration, but in this situation I don't get the indignation at him getting stick. In order to qualify for being a car enthusiast do you automatically need to support anyone breaking the speed limit regardless? Also I'd have thought that an enthusiast might just pride themselves on their ability to spot hazards and to drive accordingly. IMHO anyone who believes that doing 38 down that stretch of road isn't quite as good a driver as they think. The whole thing about cash cows and targets is just daft. These are precisely the kind of locations where there should be more speed cameras rather than on motorways. I don't know of the OP has children, but one of the things that really gave me an appreciation of the importance of not speeding in built up areas is when my kids started crossing the road with me. Speeding cars make this so much more difficult and hazardous.
PH has (was) "speed matters" not "speeding matters"
Speed is great at the right time and place.
Devil2575 said:
I really don't get this thread.
There are some situations where you might have been able to feel some sympathy for the OP but this isn't one of them. He was caught doing 38 mph in a 30 limit on a section of road where even a vaguely competant driver can see that there are plenty of hazards. I get that on a car forum there is always going to be a certain amount of resentment over speed cameras and if the OP had been enjoying a bit of a blast on a deserted, well sighted country road relatively free of hazards or doing 80 on the motorway then i'd understand the frustration, but in this situation I don't get the indignation at him getting stick. In order to qualify for being a car enthusiast do you automatically need to support anyone breaking the speed limit regardless? Also I'd have thought that an enthusiast might just pride themselves on their ability to spot hazards and to drive accordingly. IMHO anyone who believes that doing 38 down that stretch of road isn't quite as good a driver as they think. The whole thing about cash cows and targets is just daft. These are precisely the kind of locations where there should be more speed cameras rather than on motorways. I don't know of the OP has children, but one of the things that really gave me an appreciation of the importance of not speeding in built up areas is when my kids started crossing the road with me. Speeding cars make this so much more difficult and hazardous.
But...but...but...errr....scameras, ummm....Big Brother, nanny state, war on the motorist. And.....err...revenue generation.There are some situations where you might have been able to feel some sympathy for the OP but this isn't one of them. He was caught doing 38 mph in a 30 limit on a section of road where even a vaguely competant driver can see that there are plenty of hazards. I get that on a car forum there is always going to be a certain amount of resentment over speed cameras and if the OP had been enjoying a bit of a blast on a deserted, well sighted country road relatively free of hazards or doing 80 on the motorway then i'd understand the frustration, but in this situation I don't get the indignation at him getting stick. In order to qualify for being a car enthusiast do you automatically need to support anyone breaking the speed limit regardless? Also I'd have thought that an enthusiast might just pride themselves on their ability to spot hazards and to drive accordingly. IMHO anyone who believes that doing 38 down that stretch of road isn't quite as good a driver as they think. The whole thing about cash cows and targets is just daft. These are precisely the kind of locations where there should be more speed cameras rather than on motorways. I don't know of the OP has children, but one of the things that really gave me an appreciation of the importance of not speeding in built up areas is when my kids started crossing the road with me. Speeding cars make this so much more difficult and hazardous.
Lots of other buzzwords and clichés.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Devil2575 said:
I really don't get this thread.
There are some situations where you might have been able to feel some sympathy for the OP but this isn't one of them. He was caught doing 38 mph in a 30 limit on a section of road where even a vaguely competant driver can see that there are plenty of hazards. I get that on a car forum there is always going to be a certain amount of resentment over speed cameras and if the OP had been enjoying a bit of a blast on a deserted, well sighted country road relatively free of hazards or doing 80 on the motorway then i'd understand the frustration, but in this situation I don't get the indignation at him getting stick. In order to qualify for being a car enthusiast do you automatically need to support anyone breaking the speed limit regardless? Also I'd have thought that an enthusiast might just pride themselves on their ability to spot hazards and to drive accordingly. IMHO anyone who believes that doing 38 down that stretch of road isn't quite as good a driver as they think. The whole thing about cash cows and targets is just daft. These are precisely the kind of locations where there should be more speed cameras rather than on motorways. I don't know of the OP has children, but one of the things that really gave me an appreciation of the importance of not speeding in built up areas is when my kids started crossing the road with me. Speeding cars make this so much more difficult and hazardous.
But...but...but...errr....scameras, ummm....Big Brother, nanny state, war on the motorist. And.....err...revenue generation.There are some situations where you might have been able to feel some sympathy for the OP but this isn't one of them. He was caught doing 38 mph in a 30 limit on a section of road where even a vaguely competant driver can see that there are plenty of hazards. I get that on a car forum there is always going to be a certain amount of resentment over speed cameras and if the OP had been enjoying a bit of a blast on a deserted, well sighted country road relatively free of hazards or doing 80 on the motorway then i'd understand the frustration, but in this situation I don't get the indignation at him getting stick. In order to qualify for being a car enthusiast do you automatically need to support anyone breaking the speed limit regardless? Also I'd have thought that an enthusiast might just pride themselves on their ability to spot hazards and to drive accordingly. IMHO anyone who believes that doing 38 down that stretch of road isn't quite as good a driver as they think. The whole thing about cash cows and targets is just daft. These are precisely the kind of locations where there should be more speed cameras rather than on motorways. I don't know of the OP has children, but one of the things that really gave me an appreciation of the importance of not speeding in built up areas is when my kids started crossing the road with me. Speeding cars make this so much more difficult and hazardous.
Lots of other buzzwords and clichés.
funkyrobot said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Devil2575 said:
I really don't get this thread.
There are some situations where you might have been able to feel some sympathy for the OP but this isn't one of them. He was caught doing 38 mph in a 30 limit on a section of road where even a vaguely competant driver can see that there are plenty of hazards. I get that on a car forum there is always going to be a certain amount of resentment over speed cameras and if the OP had been enjoying a bit of a blast on a deserted, well sighted country road relatively free of hazards or doing 80 on the motorway then i'd understand the frustration, but in this situation I don't get the indignation at him getting stick. In order to qualify for being a car enthusiast do you automatically need to support anyone breaking the speed limit regardless? Also I'd have thought that an enthusiast might just pride themselves on their ability to spot hazards and to drive accordingly. IMHO anyone who believes that doing 38 down that stretch of road isn't quite as good a driver as they think. The whole thing about cash cows and targets is just daft. These are precisely the kind of locations where there should be more speed cameras rather than on motorways. I don't know of the OP has children, but one of the things that really gave me an appreciation of the importance of not speeding in built up areas is when my kids started crossing the road with me. Speeding cars make this so much more difficult and hazardous.
But...but...but...errr....scameras, ummm....Big Brother, nanny state, war on the motorist. And.....err...revenue generation.There are some situations where you might have been able to feel some sympathy for the OP but this isn't one of them. He was caught doing 38 mph in a 30 limit on a section of road where even a vaguely competant driver can see that there are plenty of hazards. I get that on a car forum there is always going to be a certain amount of resentment over speed cameras and if the OP had been enjoying a bit of a blast on a deserted, well sighted country road relatively free of hazards or doing 80 on the motorway then i'd understand the frustration, but in this situation I don't get the indignation at him getting stick. In order to qualify for being a car enthusiast do you automatically need to support anyone breaking the speed limit regardless? Also I'd have thought that an enthusiast might just pride themselves on their ability to spot hazards and to drive accordingly. IMHO anyone who believes that doing 38 down that stretch of road isn't quite as good a driver as they think. The whole thing about cash cows and targets is just daft. These are precisely the kind of locations where there should be more speed cameras rather than on motorways. I don't know of the OP has children, but one of the things that really gave me an appreciation of the importance of not speeding in built up areas is when my kids started crossing the road with me. Speeding cars make this so much more difficult and hazardous.
Lots of other buzzwords and clichés.
Edited by vonhosen on Friday 30th September 13:25
Corpulent Tosser said:
BigLion said:
OP was probably doing the same speed I would down such a road at that time.
I too may have been going a similar speed, though I tend to be more careful in 30/40 limits, what I and most others wouldn't have done though is bleat about the injustice of it.vonhosen said:
funkyrobot said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Devil2575 said:
I really don't get this thread.
There are some situations where you might have been able to feel some sympathy for the OP but this isn't one of them. He was caught doing 38 mph in a 30 limit on a section of road where even a vaguely competant driver can see that there are plenty of hazards. I get that on a car forum there is always going to be a certain amount of resentment over speed cameras and if the OP had been enjoying a bit of a blast on a deserted, well sighted country road relatively free of hazards or doing 80 on the motorway then i'd understand the frustration, but in this situation I don't get the indignation at him getting stick. In order to qualify for being a car enthusiast do you automatically need to support anyone breaking the speed limit regardless? Also I'd have thought that an enthusiast might just pride themselves on their ability to spot hazards and to drive accordingly. IMHO anyone who believes that doing 38 down that stretch of road isn't quite as good a driver as they think. The whole thing about cash cows and targets is just daft. These are precisely the kind of locations where there should be more speed cameras rather than on motorways. I don't know of the OP has children, but one of the things that really gave me an appreciation of the importance of not speeding in built up areas is when my kids started crossing the road with me. Speeding cars make this so much more difficult and hazardous.
But...but...but...errr....scameras, ummm....Big Brother, nanny state, war on the motorist. And.....err...revenue generation.There are some situations where you might have been able to feel some sympathy for the OP but this isn't one of them. He was caught doing 38 mph in a 30 limit on a section of road where even a vaguely competant driver can see that there are plenty of hazards. I get that on a car forum there is always going to be a certain amount of resentment over speed cameras and if the OP had been enjoying a bit of a blast on a deserted, well sighted country road relatively free of hazards or doing 80 on the motorway then i'd understand the frustration, but in this situation I don't get the indignation at him getting stick. In order to qualify for being a car enthusiast do you automatically need to support anyone breaking the speed limit regardless? Also I'd have thought that an enthusiast might just pride themselves on their ability to spot hazards and to drive accordingly. IMHO anyone who believes that doing 38 down that stretch of road isn't quite as good a driver as they think. The whole thing about cash cows and targets is just daft. These are precisely the kind of locations where there should be more speed cameras rather than on motorways. I don't know of the OP has children, but one of the things that really gave me an appreciation of the importance of not speeding in built up areas is when my kids started crossing the road with me. Speeding cars make this so much more difficult and hazardous.
Lots of other buzzwords and clichés.
Edited by vonhosen on Friday 30th September 13:25
TTommy said:
You need to get out more. I've managed 6 years without incident - no fks given.
6 years? Haha! 6 years without incident, and you think that makes you some kind of driving god?ks given.Clearly your "significant" experience hasn't extended to observation, as you missed MANY signs that there was a 30 limit in place.
Good job for showing how few "f
ks" were "given" (too much internetting for you) by taking the video down. 
vonhosen said:
funkyrobot said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Devil2575 said:
I really don't get this thread.
There are some situations where you might have been able to feel some sympathy for the OP but this isn't one of them. He was caught doing 38 mph in a 30 limit on a section of road where even a vaguely competant driver can see that there are plenty of hazards. I get that on a car forum there is always going to be a certain amount of resentment over speed cameras and if the OP had been enjoying a bit of a blast on a deserted, well sighted country road relatively free of hazards or doing 80 on the motorway then i'd understand the frustration, but in this situation I don't get the indignation at him getting stick. In order to qualify for being a car enthusiast do you automatically need to support anyone breaking the speed limit regardless? Also I'd have thought that an enthusiast might just pride themselves on their ability to spot hazards and to drive accordingly. IMHO anyone who believes that doing 38 down that stretch of road isn't quite as good a driver as they think. The whole thing about cash cows and targets is just daft. These are precisely the kind of locations where there should be more speed cameras rather than on motorways. I don't know of the OP has children, but one of the things that really gave me an appreciation of the importance of not speeding in built up areas is when my kids started crossing the road with me. Speeding cars make this so much more difficult and hazardous.
But...but...but...errr....scameras, ummm....Big Brother, nanny state, war on the motorist. And.....err...revenue generation.There are some situations where you might have been able to feel some sympathy for the OP but this isn't one of them. He was caught doing 38 mph in a 30 limit on a section of road where even a vaguely competant driver can see that there are plenty of hazards. I get that on a car forum there is always going to be a certain amount of resentment over speed cameras and if the OP had been enjoying a bit of a blast on a deserted, well sighted country road relatively free of hazards or doing 80 on the motorway then i'd understand the frustration, but in this situation I don't get the indignation at him getting stick. In order to qualify for being a car enthusiast do you automatically need to support anyone breaking the speed limit regardless? Also I'd have thought that an enthusiast might just pride themselves on their ability to spot hazards and to drive accordingly. IMHO anyone who believes that doing 38 down that stretch of road isn't quite as good a driver as they think. The whole thing about cash cows and targets is just daft. These are precisely the kind of locations where there should be more speed cameras rather than on motorways. I don't know of the OP has children, but one of the things that really gave me an appreciation of the importance of not speeding in built up areas is when my kids started crossing the road with me. Speeding cars make this so much more difficult and hazardous.
Lots of other buzzwords and clichés.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Devil2575 said:
...I don't know of the OP has children, but one of the things that really gave me an appreciation of the importance of not speeding in built up areas is when my kids started crossing the road with me. Speeding cars make this so much more difficult and hazardous.
But...but...but...errr....scameras, ummm....Big Brother, nanny state, war on the motorist. And.....err...revenue generation.Lots of other buzzwords and clichés.
...but I can see a shout for conspiracy theorist and even a won't somebody think of the children! Enjoy your clichéd strawman.
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