Bernard Hogan-Howe to retire as Met Police Commissioner

Bernard Hogan-Howe to retire as Met Police Commissioner

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craigjm

17,946 posts

200 months

Friday 10th February 2017
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Agreed but I think it will be too tempting for them not to pick a woman from that list so we have a woman PM, Home Secretary and commissioner

Greenmantle

1,266 posts

108 months

Friday 10th February 2017
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craigjm said:
Agreed but I think it will be too tempting for them not to pick a woman from that list so we have a woman PM, Home Secretary and commissioner
you missed the fourth one

PM
Home Secretary
Justice Secretary
Commissioner

There will be a lot of "what if" thinking going on in the Whitehall "Blame Culture" corridors.

John

Mill Wheel

6,149 posts

196 months

Friday 10th February 2017
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Red 4 said:
ps - I don't know why you say Hogan- Howe was a loss to Merseyside ?

He did like riding his horse around Mather Avenue (force training centre) though. Allegedly.
He should go back to Merseyside... handy spot to take up cruising in his retirement. The Queens and others still call into Liverpool from time to time.

Craig Mackey was well respected during his time in Cumbria, having had to seal with the flooding in 2009 which led to the tragic death of an officer and the Derek Bird shootings.
His leaving was felt all the more because of the scandal that blew up around his successor Stuart Hyde whose career was already tainted before he arrived in Cumbria!

konark

1,104 posts

119 months

Friday 10th February 2017
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Retiring on £181,500 a year pension, and he's only 58.
That would equate with a £9million pension pot.

(UK average is about £90,000.)

A far-from-stellar tenure, probably jumping before he gets pushed.

Say what you want about this country, we reward mediocrity well.

As For Cressida Dick, she has left the Met and was too closely implicated in both the Duggan and de Menezes killings to be credible.

Edited by konark on Friday 10th February 18:15

Sheepshanks

32,747 posts

119 months

Friday 10th February 2017
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konark said:
Retiring on £181,500 a year pension, and he's only 58.
That would equate with a £9million pension pot.
Mind blowing.

And he'll probably do a bit (or maybe a lot) of consultancy work and will be making more than he was as Commissioner.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

255 months

Friday 10th February 2017
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Dave Hedgehog said:
Greendubber said:
I shudder to think who Khan will want.
Abu Hamza al-Masri is front runner as he will support the mayors ban of women in bikinis in adverts
My money's on Bernie's little brother...

Ivan Hoegan-Howe...

HarryW

15,150 posts

269 months

Friday 10th February 2017
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konark said:
Retiring on £181,500 a year pension, and he's only 58.
That would equate with a £9million pension pot.

(UK average is about £90,000.)

A far-from-stellar tenure, probably jumping before he gets pushed.

Say what you want about this country, we reward mediocrity well.

As For Cressida Dick, she has left the Met and was too closely implicated in both the Duggan and de Menezes killings to be credible.

Edited by konark on Friday 10th February 18:15
I'm sorry I don't normally bh about public servants, but how the fk can that even begin to be right, he's spent what 35 years plus in the force how is it possible to accumulate an equivalent pot that big. It's not as the tax payer is susedising it is it......

craigjm

17,946 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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I was right..... A woman appointed and a tainted one at that. Cressida Dick gets the job as I suspected

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39055696

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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She's a very capable officer.

If anyone bothers to learn about what went on with Menezes, her decision-making was sound with the information she had and I'm glad those i a position to select were, presumably, able to recognise that.

craigjm

17,946 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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La Liga said:
She's a very capable officer.

If anyone bothers to learn about what went on with Menezes, her decision-making was sound with the information she had and I'm glad those i a position to select were, presumably, able to recognise that.
I don't deny that its just a brave choice for that reason. Hogan Howe bought a period of stability after the previous two commissioners failed to complete their terms. She has a tough term ahead of her, headed by big questions around armed officers and their culpability should someone be shot. You just know the media will jump on JCdM case every time armed police are mentioned and as soon as there is an incident.....

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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I think you're right, the likes of the Mail won't hesitate to keep bringing it up.

The Mad Monk

10,474 posts

117 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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La Liga said:
She's a very capable officer.

If anyone bothers to learn about what went on with Menezes, her decision-making was sound with the information she had and I'm glad those i a position to select were, presumably, able to recognise that.
Menezes was an illegal immigrant. If he had left the UK when he should have done, he would, presumably, still be alive today.

craigjm

17,946 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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The Mad Monk said:
Menezes was an illegal immigrant. If he had left the UK when he should have done, he would, presumably, still be alive today.
Oh that makes it alright then!



Derek Smith

45,646 posts

248 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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craigjm said:
La Liga said:
She's a very capable officer.

If anyone bothers to learn about what went on with Menezes, her decision-making was sound with the information she had and I'm glad those i a position to select were, presumably, able to recognise that.
I don't deny that its just a brave choice for that reason. Hogan Howe bought a period of stability after the previous two commissioners failed to complete their terms. She has a tough term ahead of her, headed by big questions around armed officers and their culpability should someone be shot. You just know the media will jump on JCdM case every time armed police are mentioned and as soon as there is an incident.....
As you say, a brave choice. She seems competent. It will make little difference for operational officers.

watchnut

1,166 posts

129 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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No doubt the Mets will turn into "hants Pol" where all top jobs are now women......maybe they are the best?......watch this space!

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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craigjm said:
The Mad Monk said:
Menezes was an illegal immigrant. If he had left the UK when he should have done, he would, presumably, still be alive today.
Oh that makes it alright then!
It would have helped him prevent his own demise ?

craigjm

17,946 posts

200 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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speedyguy said:
craigjm said:
The Mad Monk said:
Menezes was an illegal immigrant. If he had left the UK when he should have done, he would, presumably, still be alive today.
Oh that makes it alright then!
It would have helped him prevent his own demise ?
How can you prevent your own demise? when are you going to die and how?

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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craigjm said:
How can you prevent your own demise? when are you going to die and how?
Wrong place wrong time, he wasn't supposed to be in London/UK. Possibly Brazil or elsewhere.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

158 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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La Liga said:
her decision-making was sound
She decided to have a man killed although he'd done nothing to justify it.

La Liga said:
with the information she had
The information she had was that he had come out a specific block of flats but there was no identification of who he was. That's not a great basis on which to decide to kill someone.

She is tainted.

davidball

731 posts

202 months

Wednesday 22nd February 2017
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It would seem that being in charge of the debacle that led to the public execution of an innocent man is a good qualification for a Met Commissioner. Her appointment is a shockingly bad and insensitive decision and a new low for the Met.