Roundabout

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fangio

988 posts

233 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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herewego said:
I suppose the question relates to why the green tarmac stops 30m before the roundabout. I don't think there's any requirement for bus lanes to be any particular colour but it does look as though it means something.
Beat me to it! Why does the left turn arrow point to the unpainted tarmac?

_dobbo_

14,319 posts

247 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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fangio said:
Beat me to it! Why does the left turn arrow point to the unpainted tarmac?
But left turn arrows never mean turn left at the point of the arrow - they mean there is a left turn ahead.

caelite

4,273 posts

111 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Ive never actually seen a bus lane like this, all the ones around my way end 30-50m before the junction/roundabout then start again 30-50m after with the lanes being normal for a conventional junction. So I can see why this catches folks out, I just hope there is no camera on it.

Jim1556

1,771 posts

155 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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PF62 said:
Well if you can't be in the left hand lane which you should be to turn left, the alternative is to do a loop the loop 360 around the roundabout.
^^^

This...

Sideways! driving

Lopey

Original Poster:

258 posts

97 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Thanks for all the responses. I might drop an email into the council about it and see what they say.

Swervin_Mervin

4,429 posts

237 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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There is no left turn arrow. There's a diverge arrow. Which shouldn't be there imo, as the white line is solid up to the give-way line.

It looks as though the solid line may have been extended, having previously been dashed at the roundabout approach. That's the only way the diverge arrow makes any sense being there. Either way, it shouldn't be there with the other markings as they currently appear to be and should be burnt off.

Hol

8,356 posts

199 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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That's worse than those 10ft long cycle paths that the pedal power guys drag out of the woodwork at every argument.

There's no logical reason for a solid line and not dotted to the end of the road, unless the bus also had a filter left into the next road. We can see clearly, that isn't the case.



Edited by Hol on Friday 30th September 13:38

rampageturke

2,622 posts

161 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Swervin_Mervin said:
There is no left turn arrow.
https://goo.gl/maps/8dG59TKV7Ls ?

Riley Blue

20,914 posts

225 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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rampageturke said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
There is no left turn arrow.
https://goo.gl/maps/8dG59TKV7Ls ?
Surely everyone knows that's a bifurcation arrow?

Page 84/85:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

GreatGranny

9,097 posts

225 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Don't think it warrants contacting the council.

Its pretty obvious what it is.

The solid white line signifies the bus lane so it goes all the way to the give way line and then continues the other side of the r/bout.

Cars cannot enter it.

If you want to turn left and there's a bus in the lane next to you just wait until it has passed you on the nearside. Then you can turn.


Swervin_Mervin

4,429 posts

237 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Riley Blue said:
rampageturke said:
Swervin_Mervin said:
There is no left turn arrow.
https://goo.gl/maps/8dG59TKV7Ls ?
Surely everyone knows that's a bifurcation arrow?

Page 84/85:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Apparently not laugh

Scary really

aspirin

32 posts

117 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Tin foil hat on and at risk from being shot down, but traffic in a bus lane does not have priority when the bus lane ends, they should give way - at least that is what I was told this week on a Minibus training session. Therefore any vehicle in that bus lane should wait for the outside lane to be clear before proceeding. However in this instance any traffic intendind to turn left from the outer lane would be a braver man than me to put that into practice!!

The bottom line is that this is a crap piece of highway signage/designation. Someone who was paid to plan this should know better.

twister

1,450 posts

235 months

Friday 30th September 2016
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Swervin_Mervin said:
It looks as though the solid line may have been extended, having previously been dashed at the roundabout approach.
Yep. If you move the streetview position onto the roundabout, then there's one spot which is still showing older imagery by default, and in this you can clearly see the bus lane markings were indeed as you've described... Should probably therefore also be visible in the desktop version of SV using the historical imagery option, but currently on mobile so can't confirm this.

pim

2,344 posts

123 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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Are these bus lanes designed in such a way to catch people out?

Here in Hull Anlaby road thousands have had fines through the post.Another money making scam?

herewego

8,814 posts

212 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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Lopey said:
Thanks for all the responses. I might drop an email into the council about it and see what they say.
I think that's the right thing to do because the green lane, the solid line and the arrow are not consistent. I expect it's a budget problem although I don't understand why they have extended the solid line.
I'd expect the appeal adjudicator to side with the driver if anybody has been prosecuted since they always seem to if there is unclear signage.

twister

1,450 posts

235 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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twister said:
Yep. If you move the streetview position onto the roundabout, then there's one spot which is still showing older imagery by default, and in this you can clearly see the bus lane markings were indeed as you've described... Should probably therefore also be visible in the desktop version of SV using the historical imagery option, but currently on mobile so can't confirm this.
From 2012, the bus lane clearly ended at the point where the green lane marking also ended: https://goo.gl/maps/X3Dok2Dow9t

From 2014, it looks like the bus lane marking had been repainted as a solid line up to the roundabout and then converted back into a broken line: https://goo.gl/maps/4KatP7TBJ7K2

covboy

2,573 posts

173 months

Saturday 1st October 2016
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To be fair most of the bus lanes round here that I can think if do stop short of junctions/roundabouts. This us anew one on me