Yellow Box Junction Cameras
Discussion
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes/rules-...
Simple in theory, but when you advance into clear space after the exit, only to have some
in a white van speed across the junction from the adjacent lane and push in, leaving you stranded in the box, it doesn't seem so simple.
Simple in theory, but when you advance into clear space after the exit, only to have some
in a white van speed across the junction from the adjacent lane and push in, leaving you stranded in the box, it doesn't seem so simple.Zod said:
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes/rules-...
Simple in theory, but when you advance into clear space after the exit, only to have some in a white van speed across the junction from the adjacent lane and push in, leaving you stranded in the box, it doesn't seem so simple.
OMG - same happened to me in Islington (Essex Rd exit), except it was a Ford Puma. They'd have NONE of it though and it cost me £100. It undertook me from the bus lane FFS and took the space I was going to take!Simple in theory, but when you advance into clear space after the exit, only to have some
in a white van speed across the junction from the adjacent lane and push in, leaving you stranded in the box, it doesn't seem so simple.It's a double edged sword. Yes, tts coming up on your side and pushing in leaving you stuck in the junction when your exit was clear at the time of entering, can be a real issue.
But for every one of those, there's 99 fking knobs who just ignore it completely or don't even know what's it means and gridlock the whole junction. I'm glad they'll be getting fined.
ts coming up on your side and pushing in leaving you stuck in the junction when your exit was clear at the time of entering, can be a real issue.But for every one of those, there's 99 f
king knobs who just ignore it completely or don't even know what's it means and gridlock the whole junction. I'm glad they'll be getting fined. London is a good example of how modern driving scenarios and adhering to all the rules just don't work.
There are many occasions where obeying the yellow box junction rule would mean traffic barely moved at all. Blocking a junction is obviously out of order but ignoring the yellow box and leaving enough of a gap for vehicles to cross either behind or in front of you works, even though you are still in the boxed area.
There are many occasions where obeying the yellow box junction rule would mean traffic barely moved at all. Blocking a junction is obviously out of order but ignoring the yellow box and leaving enough of a gap for vehicles to cross either behind or in front of you works, even though you are still in the boxed area.
These along with bus lane cameras. We recently got big present of extra bus lanes with cameras in my neck of the woods.
In one year one camera on a single section of bus lane earned them £4m.
Buses only run to 11pm, but that didn't stop one unlucky taxi driver getting stung for £90 for cutting across one at 3am.
One individual has about £5k in fines and is refusing to pay up.
In one year one camera on a single section of bus lane earned them £4m.
Buses only run to 11pm, but that didn't stop one unlucky taxi driver getting stung for £90 for cutting across one at 3am.
One individual has about £5k in fines and is refusing to pay up.
Ken Figenus said:
Zod said:
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes/rules-...
Simple in theory, but when you advance into clear space after the exit, only to have some in a white van speed across the junction from the adjacent lane and push in, leaving you stranded in the box, it doesn't seem so simple.
OMG - same happened to me in Islington (Essex Rd exit), except it was a Ford Puma. They'd have NONE of it though and it cost me £100. It undertook me from the bus lane FFS and took the space I was going to take!Simple in theory, but when you advance into clear space after the exit, only to have some
in a white van speed across the junction from the adjacent lane and push in, leaving you stranded in the box, it doesn't seem so simple.The prohibition that no person shall cause a vehicle to enter the box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles.
The crucial bit is in bold. If your exit is clear at your point of entry and someone else unexpectedly nicks that space such that there is no alternative path for you to take then the offence is not made out. See PATAS (now London Tribunals) Essoo -v- L.B. of Enfield (2130232767). The appellant lost but applied for a review which overturned the original adjudicator's decision. The details can be found by a search of the Statutory Register here - https://londontribunals.org.uk/ - (enter the case number without the brackets).
If your circumstances exactly match this then you should go to adjudication quoting the above ruling. Force the LA to produce all the camera footage rather than merely a still image of the end result. One of two things will happen. It won't be able to or you will be proved right.
Red Devil said:
Ken Figenus said:
Zod said:
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/red-routes/rules-...
Simple in theory, but when you advance into clear space after the exit, only to have some in a white van speed across the junction from the adjacent lane and push in, leaving you stranded in the box, it doesn't seem so simple.
OMG - same happened to me in Islington (Essex Rd exit), except it was a Ford Puma. They'd have NONE of it though and it cost me £100. It undertook me from the bus lane FFS and took the space I was going to take!Simple in theory, but when you advance into clear space after the exit, only to have some
in a white van speed across the junction from the adjacent lane and push in, leaving you stranded in the box, it doesn't seem so simple.The prohibition that no person shall cause a vehicle to enter the box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles.
The crucial bit is in bold. If your exit is clear at your point of entry and someone else unexpectedly nicks that space such that there is no alternative path for you to take then the offence is not made out. See PATAS (now London Tribunals) Essoo -v- L.B. of Enfield (2130232767). The appellant lost but applied for a review which overturned the original adjudicator's decision. The details can be found by a search of the Statutory Register here - https://londontribunals.org.uk/ - (enter the case number without the brackets).
If your circumstances exactly match this then you should go to adjudication quoting the above ruling. Force the LA to produce all the camera footage rather than merely a still image of the end result. One of two things will happen. It won't be able to or you will be proved right.
C70R said:
bad company said:
Sometimes in very busy cities it can be almost impossible to cross the yellow box legally.
Really? A decade of living in London here, and I've never once been caught out... It's fairly transparent and straightforward. Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff