Yellow Box Junction Cameras
Discussion
Red Devil said:
I wonder exactly how many his 'quite a few times' is. I will bet he is not a local who uses it every day. Sevenoaks Way backs up in both directions for lengthy periods. Turning right from Main Road can be a total 'mare. Sitting through multiple phases before being able to exit is a PITA. The upshot is traffic backs up on Main Road as well preventing egress from the Homebase car park. On one occasion I was trapped in there and it took over 20 minutes to get out and clear the lights. Those who use the 51 bus route know how frustrating traversing Sevenoaks Way can be. It's often quicker to walk from Footscray to the Leesons Hill junction/Nugent Retail Park and vice-versa!
If you look at the timeline on Streetview you will find that those lights and box junction are a relatively recent addition to the landscape. They have only been there since mid 2014 when the southbound filter lane to Main Road was created. Another great 'improvement' was the simultaneous massive reduction to the capacity of the northbound right turn lane.
The junction works reasonably well when traffic is flowing but when it is congested and backed up (which it is all too often) it's just the opposite.
Sorry, you must be wrong! According to some people who have never been there, there isn't a problem If you look at the timeline on Streetview you will find that those lights and box junction are a relatively recent addition to the landscape. They have only been there since mid 2014 when the southbound filter lane to Main Road was created. Another great 'improvement' was the simultaneous massive reduction to the capacity of the northbound right turn lane.
The junction works reasonably well when traffic is flowing but when it is congested and backed up (which it is all too often) it's just the opposite.
Vipers said:
Ive looked at it, studied it, looked at it from the vans perspective, and cant think of any situation whatsoever why the van would end up on the junction, unless he isnt paying attention. Scenario, cross traffice has red light, van has green, assuming the lane at the other side of the junctioon is clear he can pull out and get in the lane, if its blocked, he shouldnt sit on the box, or am I missing something.
Does this help?speedking31 said:
does this help?
Not really, when the light goes green the cross traffic must go red, and either the traffic across the road heading to the right clears leaving a space for the van to pull into, or it doesn't clear in which the van should stay where he is.
P.S. Van man got out
Edited by Vipers on Friday 7th October 09:35
Edited by Vipers on Friday 7th October 09:37
Red Devil said:
True, but traffic on that occasion was very light. When Sevenoaks Way northbound backs up from from the A20 roundabout at Footscray turning right out of Main road can try the patience of a saint.
One vehicle at a time, if luck is on your side.
http://penaltychargenotice.co.uk/moving-traffic-contraventions/contraventions-for-moving-traffic/contravention-code-31/One vehicle at a time, if luck is on your side.
Interesting link, does the one we are talking about actually comply with the regulations, ie the wording "A box junction must meet the kerb on all 4 corners", when you see a boxd area outside a firestation for example, it not actually on a junction, only an exit.......
Edited by Vipers on Friday 7th October 16:22
Red Devil said:
True, but traffic on that occasion was very light. When Sevenoaks Way northbound backs up from from the A20 roundabout at Footscray turning right out of Main road can try the patience of a saint.
One vehicle at a time, if luck is on your side.
I understand what you mean and agree, and no doubt some take a risk, dont think I would. I have never had a traffic violation in 52 years and dont want one now.One vehicle at a time, if luck is on your side.
Red Devil said:
Digby said:
C70R said:
This is actually brilliant - you couldn't have illustrated my point better. I've used that exact road quite a few times, and don't ever remember having an issue at that junction/box. In actual fact, it wouldn't have even stuck in my head as being problematic...
To answer your question, I have no idea. I don't recall doing anything 'special' at that particular junction whenever I've passed.
And this is actually brilliant because it's obvious you have passed the junction when traffic isn't an issue or do not use the road where the van is positioned. I have passed this junction too, several hundred times with no issue when using the main road. On many other occasions, you have no choice but to block or at least part block it.To answer your question, I have no idea. I don't recall doing anything 'special' at that particular junction whenever I've passed.
I wonder exactly how many his 'quite a few times' is. I will bet he is not a local who uses it every day.
I suppose you're forcing me to bow down to the "you weren't there, so you didn't see how bad it was" line. In which case, I've been reduced to having no choice.
You're right. that's an absolute abhorrence of a yellow box, and I can't believe how much money the council are probably making out of it. How is any normal, sensible person supposed to cross it?
Are you satisfied?
Edited by C70R on Friday 7th October 17:28
C70R said:
Red Devil said:
Digby said:
C70R said:
This is actually brilliant - you couldn't have illustrated my point better. I've used that exact road quite a few times, and don't ever remember having an issue at that junction/box. In actual fact, it wouldn't have even stuck in my head as being problematic...
To answer your question, I have no idea. I don't recall doing anything 'special' at that particular junction whenever I've passed.
And this is actually brilliant because it's obvious you have passed the junction when traffic isn't an issue or do not use the road where the van is positioned. I have passed this junction too, several hundred times with no issue when using the main road. On many other occasions, you have no choice but to block or at least part block it.To answer your question, I have no idea. I don't recall doing anything 'special' at that particular junction whenever I've passed.
I wonder exactly how many his 'quite a few times' is. I will bet he is not a local who uses it every day.
I suppose you're forcing me to bow down to the "you weren't there, so you didn't see how bad it was" line. In which case, I've been reduced to having no choice.
You're right. that's an absolute abhorrence of a yellow box, and I can't believe how much money the council are probably making out of it. How is any normal, sensible person supposed to cross it?
Are you satisfied?
Edited by C70R on Friday 7th October 17:28
C70R said:
I suppose you're forcing me to bow down to the "you weren't there, so you didn't see how bad it was" line. In which case, I've been reduced to having no choice.
But that's how these things work. People who use such junctions and witness the chaos tell people who don't use them very often what can happen. You did ask! This begs the question, are you satisifed that this is yet another example of an often impossible to cross junction?
If you are satisfied, then there's little more to say. If you are not satisfied, you will just have to accept that you are wrong and should perhaps stop asking for examples.
Hackney said:
Almost as annoying are those people who don't understand you can wait in a box junction if your exit is clear.
There's a box junction on Edgware Road that I used to take regularly, making a right turn.
The lights don't have a right turn filter so if you wait before the box junction, by the time all the slow coaches, amber gamblers and red light runners have gone through then only one (at most) car can make the right turn.
If, however, you pull into the box junction then 2 or 3 cars can make the turn.
Same as one in Aberdeen on Union St, if your lucky one enters the box which is big enough for three, others wait at the white line.There's a box junction on Edgware Road that I used to take regularly, making a right turn.
The lights don't have a right turn filter so if you wait before the box junction, by the time all the slow coaches, amber gamblers and red light runners have gone through then only one (at most) car can make the right turn.
If, however, you pull into the box junction then 2 or 3 cars can make the turn.
Some dont even enter the box till the ahead light goes to red. Muppets. Not only car drivers either.
Vipers said:
I understand what you mean and agree, and no doubt some take a risk, dont think I would. I have never had a traffic violation in 52 years and dont want one now.
So how long do you wait? Six light cycle changes and nobody moved when I passed. Looking back, it was probably more like ten plus. You could NOT get out from the side road unless you part blocked the junction. It has nothing to do with taking risk, it has to do with solid traffic, light sequences and whether you are prepared to sit for however long it takes for rush hour / school runs to be over.Digby said:
Vipers said:
I understand what you mean and agree, and no doubt some take a risk, dont think I would. I have never had a traffic violation in 52 years and dont want one now.
So how long do you wait? Six light cycle changes and nobody moved when I passed. Looking back, it was probably more like ten plus. You could NOT get out from the side road unless you part blocked the junction. It has nothing to do with taking risk, it has to do with solid traffic, light sequences and whether you are prepared to sit for however long it takes for rush hour / school runs to be over.Edited by Vipers on Saturday 8th October 10:06
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.3704501,-1.26139...
This one is a pain in the arse; as you can see there's a pelican crossing on the other side with space for about four cars (or one bus/lorry) to queue between the crossing and the yellow box. This means that when you're approaching in a queue of traffic, if you're not ready to stop sharply at the box if someone presses the button, you'll get stuck in the box.
Also, people tend to stop in the middle of the box to turn into the side-roads, because if they queued before the box they'd hold up all the traffic instead of it being able to squeeze inside them.
If they ever put a camera on that one they'll make a fortune.
This one is a pain in the arse; as you can see there's a pelican crossing on the other side with space for about four cars (or one bus/lorry) to queue between the crossing and the yellow box. This means that when you're approaching in a queue of traffic, if you're not ready to stop sharply at the box if someone presses the button, you'll get stuck in the box.
Also, people tend to stop in the middle of the box to turn into the side-roads, because if they queued before the box they'd hold up all the traffic instead of it being able to squeeze inside them.
If they ever put a camera on that one they'll make a fortune.
Edited by sim72 on Saturday 8th October 11:50
C70R said:
Red Devil said:
I wonder exactly how many his 'quite a few times' is. I will bet he is not a local who uses it every day.
You're absolutely right - I'm not a local. MrsC has a property in the area, and I've used that road probably fewer than 20 times. I've been on the road when it took me 10mins+ to go from Nando's up to the A20, and I (along with several hundred others) negotiated the box without any problem.Digby said:
C70R said:
I suppose you're forcing me to bow down to the "you weren't there, so you didn't see how bad it was" line. In which case, I've been reduced to having no choice.
But that's how these things work. People who use such junctions and witness the chaos tell people who don't use them very often what can happen. You did ask!.The YBJ has only been there for a little over two years and it does little to promote traffic flow. The only good thing about the redesign of that junction was putting in the southbound filter lane from the A224 to Main Road.
C70R said:
I've been on the road when it took me 10mins+ to go from Nando's up to the A20, and I (along with several hundred others) negotiated the box without any problem.
Red Devil said:
Going from Nando's at the Nugent Retail Park to the A20 at Footscray means you (and all the others) can't possibly have negotiated the yellow box because it doesn't cover the northbound carriageway!
Never let something so trivial get in the way of one of PH's famous 'I can't appear to be wrong' moments. Perhaps that's why C70R is such a box junction legend - he's never been through any.
The usually vocal C70R seems to have gone rather quiet! Why have you stopped posting in this thread but continue to do so in others?
I still want the answer to how assertive driving gets you across some of these junctions.
And if you could try and avoid making stuff up to give more weight to your argument, that would be great.
I still want the answer to how assertive driving gets you across some of these junctions.
And if you could try and avoid making stuff up to give more weight to your argument, that would be great.
Digby said:
C70R said:
I've been on the road when it took me 10mins+ to go from Nando's up to the A20, and I (along with several hundred others) negotiated the box without any problem.
Red Devil said:
Going from Nando's at the Nugent Retail Park to the A20 at Footscray means you (and all the others) can't possibly have negotiated the yellow box because it doesn't cover the northbound carriageway!
Never let something so trivial get in the way of one of PH's famous 'I can't appear to be wrong' moments. Perhaps that's why C70R is such a box junction legend - he's never been through any.
Digby said:
The usually vocal C70R seems to have gone rather quiet! Why have you stopped posting in this thread but continue to do so in others?
Not quite sure there's any need to be so aggressive, nor to make up 'facts'. I have been away from the internet for the weekend, and haven't been posting elsewhere.Very odd behaviour.
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