Yellow Box Junction Cameras
Discussion
C70R said:
Digby said:
C70R said:
I've been on the road when it took me 10mins+ to go from Nando's up to the A20, and I (along with several hundred others) negotiated the box without any problem.
Red Devil said:
Going from Nando's at the Nugent Retail Park to the A20 at Footscray means you (and all the others) can't possibly have negotiated the yellow box because it doesn't cover the northbound carriageway!
Never let something so trivial get in the way of one of PH's famous 'I can't appear to be wrong' moments. Perhaps that's why C70R is such a box junction legend - he's never been through any.
Terminator X said:
Asks for examples then doesn't like it when they appear 
TX.
Quite. TX.
Along with telling people to be sensible and avoid them, ignoring that cars can struggle as well as larger vehicles, being oblivious to whether there is or isn't a box junction in the provided link despite driving on that road, telling us all we need to do is be patient and assertive but not being able to explain what that means..
It all smells of the usual argument for arguments sake PH waffle we regularly have to put up with.
Comedy gold.
Digby said:
Quite.
Along with telling people to be sensible and avoid them, ignoring that cars can struggle as well as larger vehicles, being oblivious to whether there is or isn't a box junction in the provided link despite driving on that road, telling us all we need to do is be patient and assertive but not being able to explain what that means..
It all smells of the usual argument for arguments sake PH waffle we regularly have to put up with.
Comedy gold.
You seem to be getting very worked-up about this. As a result, you're enjoying a good bit of selective quoting, repeatedly, to try and make a moot point. Along with telling people to be sensible and avoid them, ignoring that cars can struggle as well as larger vehicles, being oblivious to whether there is or isn't a box junction in the provided link despite driving on that road, telling us all we need to do is be patient and assertive but not being able to explain what that means..
It all smells of the usual argument for arguments sake PH waffle we regularly have to put up with.
Comedy gold.
As I've said a number of times, I genuinely don't believe there's some kind of yellow box vendetta on the motorist. If you're driving a large/long vehicle, then common sense would dictate avoiding urban areas (prevalence of yellow boxes) at times of heavy traffic.
For everyone else, I can (and have repeatedly stated that I) accept than <1% of yellow boxes might be ineffectively designed. In this case, your best course of action for resolution is to contact your local council or MP, rather than moan like a hormonal woman on the internet.
However, I firmly believe that for >99% of yellow boxes on the road, it's necessary to grow a pair and drive more proactively and assertively to cross them.
As for the particular junction in question, that has caused such consternation, you seem to be shifting your goalposts a bit. It was originally a blight on the road, that resulted in endless tailbacks at peak times - now, suddenly, the main issue is turning off the road (which I've never had to do - I tend not to hang around in Orpington).
Which is it? Or is it a case of clutching at straws?
Terminator X said:
"it's necessary to grow a pair and drive more proactively and assertively to cross them"
When will you explain that to us in the context of a box junction and people getting in your way once you're in the junction?
TX.
I'd have a chat with these guys, if you're unclear. Cheers.When will you explain that to us in the context of a box junction and people getting in your way once you're in the junction?
TX.
https://www.iamroadsmart.com/
C70R said:
As for the particular junction in question, that has caused such consternation, you seem to be shifting your goalposts a bit. It was originally a blight on the road, that resulted in endless tailbacks at peak times - now, suddenly, the main issue is turning off the road (which I've never had to do - I tend not to hang around in Orpington).
Which is it? Or is it a case of clutching at straws?
Sorry, what? Which is it? Or is it a case of clutching at straws?
I posted that the van in the link would have real trouble getting out. It was only ever about the van. We kept mentioning about the van and that road. What are you on about?
It was about how the van or cars or anything else gets out during busy times without part blocking the junction. You aksed for examples of junctions and I can give you three out of three I regularly use which are stupidly designed / pointless / hard to cross in any vehicle. Given I don't cross many and many I do cross are not when they are gridlocked, that would lead me to believe that there are probably thousands upon thousands just the same. You still can't tell me how to assertively cross those, can you?
As with speed camera conversations, you felt the need to insta-defend rather than listen and understand and now you look rather foolish for doing so.
Argument for arguments sake, exactly as I suggested.
You either made something up, or didn't realise there was no junction on that side of the road despite driving on it. Either way, your opinions are pretty much null and void, now.
Worked up? Hormonal woman?
All you are doing now by posting is trying not to make yourself look foolish. It's not working.
Nothing else matters now. You will always be the guy who had no problems crossing a junction which didn't exist, the guy who tells us to avoid box junctions during busy periods, the guy who asked for examples and didn't like it when he was shown some and the guy who keeps telling us to assertively cross but cannot and will not explain what that means.
Oh how we laughed at this today at work
Edited by Digby on Wednesday 12th October 18:08
Christ... If this is the height of your entertainment and merriment, I genuinely feel quite sorry for you. I couldn't bring myself to get so worked up about anything on the internet.
You post mini-essays trying to look clever, and call people "poppet" in a juvenile attempt to provoke a response. I think it's fairly easy to paint a picture of the type of person we're doing with here.
I've driven the road in question, plenty of times in both directions in fact, and your hysteria doesn't make that any less true. At any rate, I certainly won't be losing sleep, posting essays or sharing this around my colleagues.
You post mini-essays trying to look clever, and call people "poppet" in a juvenile attempt to provoke a response. I think it's fairly easy to paint a picture of the type of person we're doing with here.
I've driven the road in question, plenty of times in both directions in fact, and your hysteria doesn't make that any less true. At any rate, I certainly won't be losing sleep, posting essays or sharing this around my colleagues.
C70R said:
Christ... If this is the height of your entertainment and merriment, I genuinely feel quite sorry for you.
You made yourself look stupid, it's simple really. The difference between you and I is that if I do, I tell everyone I was stupid.You have adpoted the stereotypical 'internet' response which includes running off and having digs in other threads and using all the tactics shown above.
Nothing bothers me on the internet, despite your numerous attempts to convince yourself that they do, but there is much enjoyment to be had from people like yourself in these situations.
The conversation went as expected:
C70R 'Damn, I'm not winning this argument....erm, yeah, well, I got caught in traffic and made it across that junction with ZERO problems at all!!!
Us: There isn't a junction.
C70R: f
k. Erm, you are all bellends and keep changing the goalposts and stuff.f
king brilliant C70R said:
Terminator X said:
"it's necessary to grow a pair and drive more proactively and assertively to cross them"
When will you explain that to us in the context of a box junction and people getting in your way once you're in the junction?
TX.
I'd have a chat with these guys, if you're unclear. Cheers.When will you explain that to us in the context of a box junction and people getting in your way once you're in the junction?
TX.
https://www.iamroadsmart.com/
TX.
C70R said:
bad company said:
Sometimes in very busy cities it can be almost impossible to cross the yellow box legally.
Really? A decade of living in London here, and I've never once been caught out... It's fairly transparent and straightforward. C70R said:
I've driven the road in question, plenty of times in both directions in fact,
So what? There are others. See below.C70R said:
It was originally a blight on the road, that resulted in endless tailbacks at peak times - now, suddenly, the main issue is turning off the road (which
I've never had to do - I tend not to hang around in Orpington).
Although I have moved out to Kent I still have family in Orpington and am thus a regular visitor.I've never had to do - I tend not to hang around in Orpington).
If by turning off the road you are referring to the A224 that's not the big problem. It's turning right onto it from Main Road towards Footscray. You have just admitted you have never done anything but drive straight through southbound or nonorthbound on Sevenoaks Way, so you have zero actual experience on which to draw re the issue being discussed at that location.
bad company said:
C70R said:
bad company said:
Sometimes in very busy cities it can be almost impossible to cross the yellow box legally.
Really? A decade of living in London here, and I've never once been caught out... It's fairly transparent and straightforward. You can cross that one "assertively" all the time.
Also, none should be impossible to cross with larger vehicles because apparently, you do what anyone "sensible" would do and....well, maybe download a 'guide to dodgy box junctions' app before you leave home?
I mean, who does that suggestion even apply to? A handful of people who live near such junctions who own caravans and boats? How does anyone else find out?
Wonderful thread. Has cheered me up no end.
Red Devil said:
The only good thing about the redesign of that junction was putting in the southbound filter lane from the A224 to Main Road.
But not really - they have put in a right turn gap for those heading toward the A20 which can only fit 2/3 cars - any more and your not moving anywhere...Then the other big junction just before the bridge they've reduced the lanes from 2 - 1, moving the merge to before the junction = bigger queues!
Having lived near the nugent (Petts Wood side) I always actively avoided it between 10-5 at the weekdays and at rush hour's - worst thing is if they made footpath's a normal width (rather than double the width of the road itself) there would be no issue - 2 lanes in each direction for the majority of the way
Digby said:
bad company said:
C70R said:
bad company said:
Sometimes in very busy cities it can be almost impossible to cross the yellow box legally.
Really? A decade of living in London here, and I've never once been caught out... It's fairly transparent and straightforward. You can cross that one "assertively" all the time.
Also, none should be impossible to cross with larger vehicles because apparently, you do what anyone "sensible" would do and....well, maybe download a 'guide to dodgy box junctions' app before you leave home?
I mean, who does that suggestion even apply to? A handful of people who live near such junctions who own caravans and boats? How does anyone else find out?
Wonderful thread. Has cheered me up no end.
Win? Win what? Why would you even think of using the word? You win and I lose if it helps put and end to this.
In the meantime, just give it up mate. There's no coming back from this one.
Find another topic to pointlessly argue on where you can once again make things up to help satisfy your lust for confrontation and do look at the links in that other thread.
They are all about exactly what you are doing now and why people do it.
In the meantime, just give it up mate. There's no coming back from this one.
Find another topic to pointlessly argue on where you can once again make things up to help satisfy your lust for confrontation and do look at the links in that other thread.
They are all about exactly what you are doing now and why people do it.
Red Devil said:
you have zero actual experience on which to draw re the issue being discussed at that location.
But we moved the goalposts! I can't find the post where this happened, though. If someone could point it out that would help.Edited by Digby on Friday 14th October 16:32
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