Before speed cameras.......
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A more telling question would be to ask about getting an invoice for 79 on a motorway? Before scamming was an olympic sport - Probably not.
When scameras were first discussed they were for deployment at ACCIDENT BLACKSPOTS - remember those? Specifically they were not to be deployed on Motorways (since they are by far the safest type of roads).
Nowadays new bypasses are built with accident blackspots designed into them and motorways are the most camera infested road type.
Also, speed-limits are lowered routinely and several convulsions of the 'business-plan' have been created (by imaginative ex-senior police-officers / LAS and technology providers) to provide an on-going and lucrative funding scheme into-which various snouts are inserted.
Oh yes and now cameras are placed 'where speeding is likely to occur' instead of where it's actually dangerous. So we have cancelled out their original 'supposed purpose' completely !
When scameras were first discussed they were for deployment at ACCIDENT BLACKSPOTS - remember those? Specifically they were not to be deployed on Motorways (since they are by far the safest type of roads).
Nowadays new bypasses are built with accident blackspots designed into them and motorways are the most camera infested road type.
Also, speed-limits are lowered routinely and several convulsions of the 'business-plan' have been created (by imaginative ex-senior police-officers / LAS and technology providers) to provide an on-going and lucrative funding scheme into-which various snouts are inserted.
Oh yes and now cameras are placed 'where speeding is likely to occur' instead of where it's actually dangerous. So we have cancelled out their original 'supposed purpose' completely !
Spangles said:
Johnnytheboy said:
No, but everyone died in car crashes.
Deaths on the road 1990, 5217, speed cameras introduced 1991, deaths on the road 2015, 1732.Edited by caelite on Saturday 15th October 02:59
caelite said:
Completely irrelevant numbers when you factor in the increase of vehicle safety equipment and driver assists. A more relevant number would be reduction of actions where speed could be considered a factor in areas where cameras are now implemented. Honestly dont have the source to hand but I remember reading numbers a few years ago citing that even in accident blackspots the decrease was minimal.
The statistics get more complicated than that with factors like regression to the mean. Then add in that these days they seem more keen on mobile than static cameras... anyone could be forgiven for thinking that was deliberate obfuscation.Ok, this is something that still bugs me to this day.
1990 I was stopped along with 2 other cars by a local policeman armed with an early speed gun. The cars were in fact traveling faster than me, yet the policeman decided to let them off with a warning and 'deal' with me.
I was 16 and riding a restricted moped, riding UPHILL and with that in mind i was reported for 33mph in a 30 limit. The cars were passing me as i limped up the hill, yet I was the one he decided needed to be taught a lesson. My protests fell on deaf ears, 16 year old lad needed to learn road safety the hard way
1990 I was stopped along with 2 other cars by a local policeman armed with an early speed gun. The cars were in fact traveling faster than me, yet the policeman decided to let them off with a warning and 'deal' with me.
I was 16 and riding a restricted moped, riding UPHILL and with that in mind i was reported for 33mph in a 30 limit. The cars were passing me as i limped up the hill, yet I was the one he decided needed to be taught a lesson. My protests fell on deaf ears, 16 year old lad needed to learn road safety the hard way
caelite said:
Spangles said:
Johnnytheboy said:
No, but everyone died in car crashes.
Deaths on the road 1990, 5217, speed cameras introduced 1991, deaths on the road 2015, 1732.Bigends said:
Never used to report for anything under 10mph (depending on the manner of driving as well) over the limit, either after a 3/10 mile follow or with the old K15 radar guns. We'd certainly stop and have a word but no paperwork.
When I first went onto traffic, 1980, I was told to ignore anything under 15mph over the limit A rule everyone seemed to stick to. We had probably three times as many patrol cars then though and the roads were better patrolled.Spangles said:
Johnnytheboy said:
No, but everyone died in car crashes.
Deaths on the road 1990, 5217, speed cameras introduced 1991, deaths on the road 2015, 1732.Percentage of cars with SRS systems fitted in 1990, almost zero.
Percentage of cars with stability control and airbags in 2015, 100%.
I got nicked by an unmarked car, pre-cameras, for doing 98-102, I'd overtaken him on my 350YPVS and it took him a while to catch up in his Cavalier
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