Cat B BMW For Sale
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Category B - the vehicle may be broken for parts but it must never be returned to the road.
Body shell should be crushed. Signifies extensive damage, although some parts are salvageable. Should never re-appear on road, although reclaimed parts can be used in other road-going vehicles.
Body shell should be crushed. Signifies extensive damage, although some parts are salvageable. Should never re-appear on road, although reclaimed parts can be used in other road-going vehicles.
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Sunday 16th October 16:32
cologne2792 said:
ABI recommendations are not law.BUT... it's not had a keeper change since 2009. In 2015, the VIC check was got rid of, and - as part of that - DVLA said they would not issue any new V5Cs to Cat B-recorded vehicles. So...
The Spruce goose said:
it seems conflicting information in that some say a inspection can make it roadworthy
An inspection doesn't make it roadworthy. The quality of the repair makes it roadworthy.The inspection removes the Cat marker. Or, rather, it adds a caveat to it. I doubt a CatB is going to have that marker removed.
Basically - if it's CatB, just break the damn thing...
The Spruce goose said:
cat statuses are guidelines from my understanding.
Yep. Which is how this has been on the road perfectly legally for the last however many years since it was bent. But DVLA now won't issue a new V5C for Cat B marked stuff. Feel free to launch a legal challenge, if you like. Or buy a different 11yo 3-series. Or buy that one and export it.The advert claims no questions have been asked about the car, but when you ask a question it states that someone has already asked about the condition of the car and didn't get a reply (I wonder why? 
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I've asked why the car has been written off as a Cat B which can't be used any more on the public road - What's the betting I get no answer?
)I've asked why the car has been written off as a Cat B which can't be used any more on the public road - What's the betting I get no answer?
Reading that advert it says the vehicle is shown as CAT B on HPI, it doesnt say that it has a VIC marker on the V5C. These categories are an insurance industry agreement and there is no law stopping these vehicles being repaired and returned to the road except for DVLA refusing to issue a V5c. If someone was to buy a CAT B vehicle and rebuild it on a brand new bodyshell that would cover all the insurance and DVLA requirements, bodyshell crushed and all other parts used, satisfies insurance recommendations, new shell and and all other major components from original vehicle satisfies DVLA requirements to retain original registration.
andymc said:
you can sell a cat B car, its an industry code of practice not to, its not law
Indeed, you just can't register it with the DVLA hence making it completely unusable for the road ever again.Mate of mine bought a CatB NC MX5 a few years back, missed the introduction of the new regs, and is now stuck with it.
Ekona said:
andymc said:
you can sell a cat B car, its an industry code of practice not to, its not law
Indeed, you just can't register it with the DVLA hence making it completely unusable for the road ever again.Mate of mine bought a CatB NC MX5 a few years back, missed the introduction of the new regs, and is now stuck with it.
Export it. Cheap enough, somebody in Eire will have it.
I have been the owner of a cat B motorcycle for the last 11 years, I only found out a few months ago when I insured it, I haven't used it for a couple of years due to too many toys & not enough time, apparently it was written off when it was less than a month old.I haven't been able to find out anything more & there is absolutely nothing wrong with the bike & as I have no plans to sell it it's a bit of a no story here but there is nothing on the V5 to show this.
TooMany2cvs said:
Even if he'd not missed it, he'd still be stuck - because nobody who bought it from him would get a V5C.
Export it. Cheap enough, somebody in Eire will have it.
But surely if he'd sold it and the owner sent off for a new V5C *before* the regs changed, he'd have been fine? After all, he bought it as a Cat B and was issued a V5C with no issues at all.Export it. Cheap enough, somebody in Eire will have it.
Selling to Eire is a good idea though, I'll mention that to him. Thanks
Ekona said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Even if he'd not missed it, he'd still be stuck - because nobody who bought it from him would get a V5C.
Export it. Cheap enough, somebody in Eire will have it.
But surely if he'd sold it and the owner sent off for a new V5C *before* the regs changed, he'd have been fine?Export it. Cheap enough, somebody in Eire will have it.
funkyrobot said:
Apparently, it was damaged on the rear and side. Has a new rear quarter and door.
+1I've actually had a reply which states the same, and the seller is implying that the situation concerning Cat B cars has changed since this car was put back on the road, and that now they have to be scrapped off (The seller states that it has a current MOT [as though that's some sort of guarantee that the car is fine and wont fold in half in an accident!], and that it was inspected by VOSA and issued with a new V5).
The only problem with that theory is that Cat B write-offs were being declared as scrap only, long before this car ever left the factory, never mind when it was involved in a serious shunt, so it's complete BS!
For the car to be a Cat B with rear quarter panel and door damage, I'd suspect that the rear suspension and chassis had been seriously stoved in as well.
Basically it's a dodgy as a nine bob note!
4rephill said:
+1
I've actually had a reply which states the same, and the seller is implying that the situation concerning Cat B cars has changed since this car was put back on the road, and that now they have to be scrapped off (The seller states that it has a current MOT [as though that's some sort of guarantee that the car is fine and wont fold in half in an accident!], and that it was inspected by VOSA and issued with a new V5).
The only problem with that theory is that Cat B write-offs were being declared as scrap only, long before this car ever left the factory, never mind when it was involved in a serious shunt, so it's complete BS!
For the car to be a Cat B with rear quarter panel and door damage, I'd suspect that the rear suspension and chassis had been seriously stoved in as well.
Basically it's a dodgy as a nine bob note!
Seller has kicked off with me now. Saying it has had MOT's and V5's, so it can go on the road. He said if it didn't have a V5, how could it get an MOT test done?I've actually had a reply which states the same, and the seller is implying that the situation concerning Cat B cars has changed since this car was put back on the road, and that now they have to be scrapped off (The seller states that it has a current MOT [as though that's some sort of guarantee that the car is fine and wont fold in half in an accident!], and that it was inspected by VOSA and issued with a new V5).
The only problem with that theory is that Cat B write-offs were being declared as scrap only, long before this car ever left the factory, never mind when it was involved in a serious shunt, so it's complete BS!
For the car to be a Cat B with rear quarter panel and door damage, I'd suspect that the rear suspension and chassis had been seriously stoved in as well.
Basically it's a dodgy as a nine bob note!
He then basically said I'm a timewaster, like 'everyone else' he has dealt with.
Something tells me the stuff about it going back on the road isn't quite correct.
funkyrobot said:
Seller has kicked off with me now. Saying it has had MOT's and V5's, so it can go on the road.
Yes, it has had V5Cs. They would all have been issued before last October, when the VIC was discontinued and DVLA stopped issuing V5Cs to CatB cars.He's right... but he's also omitting the salient detail.
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