'Operation Snap' - police want motorists' dashcam videos
Discussion
bigandclever said:
williamp said:
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/n...
He tried it last time in 2014. Still, the innocent have nothing to fear etc etc
That's very different. That's the police operating HGV cabs to record misdemeanours which, while I consider it cheating, is different from me and you filming stuff and sending it in to You've Been He tried it last time in 2014. Still, the innocent have nothing to fear etc etc
bigandclever said:
williamp said:
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/n...
He tried it last time in 2014. Still, the innocent have nothing to fear etc etc
That's very different. That's the police operating HGV cabs to record misdemeanours which, while I consider it cheating, is different from me and you filming stuff and sending it in to You've Been He tried it last time in 2014. Still, the innocent have nothing to fear etc etc
bigandclever said:
williamp said:
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/n...
He tried it last time in 2014. Still, the innocent have nothing to fear etc etc
That's very different. That's the police operating HGV cabs to record misdemeanours which, while I consider it cheating, is different from me and you filming stuff and sending it in to You've Been He tried it last time in 2014. Still, the innocent have nothing to fear etc etc
bigandclever said:
tapereel said:
Cheating! How do you mean?
Alright, it was tongue in cheek, I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, but 'cheating' is unmarked coppers in unmarked vehicles, or hiding in bushes with speed guns.This is cheating ...
This isn't cheating ...
Collectingbrass said:
bigandclever said:
tapereel said:
Cheating! How do you mean?
Alright, it was tongue in cheek, I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, but 'cheating' is unmarked coppers in unmarked vehicles, or hiding in bushes with speed guns.This is cheating ...
This isn't cheating ...
bigandclever said:
tapereel said:
Cheating! How do you mean?
Alright, it was tongue in cheek, I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, but 'cheating' is unmarked coppers in unmarked vehicles, or hiding in bushes with speed guns.This is cheating ...
This isn't cheating ...
xjay1337 said:
I think cheating and being deceptive are different things.
I don't think it's fair to hide a speed Camera in a horse box for example.
I don't agree with people sending in their own footage.
Too many dash cam warriors.
Why isn't it fair?I don't think it's fair to hide a speed Camera in a horse box for example.
I don't agree with people sending in their own footage.
Too many dash cam warriors.
The police don't need to warn anyone that they are enforcing road traffic laws. What would be the purpose? To allow you to know where you can and can't break the law perhaps. I can't think of another reason why it would be considered "unfair".
tapereel said:
The police don't need to warn anyone that they are enforcing road traffic laws. What would be the purpose? To allow you to know where you can and can't break the law perhaps. I can't think of another reason why it would be considered "unfair".
No, they don't need to warn anyone. We should all be good little proles and never exceed the speed limit at any time for any reason, and we should be prepared for a camouflaged Policeman in a ghillie suit to snap us with a speed sniper rifle at any point. Because speeding is wrong, m'kay? May as well close this thread now, as none of us have anything to fear from dashcams as our driving is all perfect.
Ken Figenus said:
Use posher language like 'active visible deterrent mate'! A seen by those brake lights!
Was about to make a similar statement in far less posher words 
. The duty of the police is to prevent crimes being committed, by being visible in the community and on the roads they serve as an adequate deterrent to crime, however when they engage in covert actions in order to gain prosecutions, and in said actions allow crime to be committed infront of them they fall short on their duties as police.It is these covert actions and encouragement of civilian enforcement which makes people liken their tactics to some Orwellian dystopia, or for a real life example almost the exact actions of the Stasi all of 30-40 years ago.
caelite said:
The duty of the police is to prevent crimes being committed, by being visible in the community and on the roads they serve as an adequate deterrent to crime, however when they engage in covert actions in order to gain prosecutions, and in said actions allow crime to be committed infront of them they fall short on their duties as police.
Exactly so. 
Enforcement leads to reducing repeat offending so it's hardly as simplistic as is presented.
However, I do agree the police should have broad public support and the horse box example is questionable. Although it's easy on a site like PH to assume everyone thinks like they do on PH. Most people on the roads use the roads to get from A to B and couldn't care less about 'making progress' and the like.
However, I do agree the police should have broad public support and the horse box example is questionable. Although it's easy on a site like PH to assume everyone thinks like they do on PH. Most people on the roads use the roads to get from A to B and couldn't care less about 'making progress' and the like.
Well I think if it was used for really bad driving it might not be such a bad thing. I've seen some true horrors like 60mph+ past a school at kiddie kicking out time in a 30 zone. An irate driver trying to run a school kid over on a zebra crossing (he steered into him making him jump clear). Plus the usual truly bad overtakes on blind corners or my personal favourite, the recent breed of F You - I'm not going to make any attempt to slow down, look or give way drivers.
La Liga said:
Enforcement leads to reducing repeat offending so it's hardly as simplistic as is presented.
However, I do agree the police should have broad public support and the horse box example is questionable. Although it's easy on a site like PH to assume everyone thinks like they do on PH. Most people on the roads use the roads to get from A to B and couldn't care less about 'making progress' and the like.
What we want/need is for people to be educated and understand why a given speed limit is appropriate (on top of it actually being appropriate), and so obey it not because of the fear of being caught, or simply because the law says so, but because it is the correct thing to do.However, I do agree the police should have broad public support and the horse box example is questionable. Although it's easy on a site like PH to assume everyone thinks like they do on PH. Most people on the roads use the roads to get from A to B and couldn't care less about 'making progress' and the like.
I think that silliness like hiding in a horsebox actively discourages the above, and - as I believe receiving a letter through the post a week after the fact does, in comparison to a copper having a little chat with you about precisely what the f
k you think you're playing at - it just makes the average person feel indignant and resentful, in no way encouraging them to review their driving or change, and pondering whether their number plate is about to suffer an "oh, yeah, I'm just off to Halfords for a new one..." accident.ClockworkCupcake said:
caelite said:
The duty of the police is to prevent crimes being committed, by being visible in the community and on the roads they serve as an adequate deterrent to crime, however when they engage in covert actions in order to gain prosecutions, and in said actions allow crime to be committed infront of them they fall short on their duties as police.
Exactly so. 1. The police always being highly visible and giving prior warning of enforcement, or
2. The police being sometimes highly visible but sometimes not being highly visible therefore removing the ability to manipulate the law.
2 every time.
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