16 months in prison...
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heebeegeetee said:
I'm sorry to bang on about this but I disagree. It should not be unexpected that a vehicle had stopped, it's a commonplace occurrence and something to look out for, plus the court heard that this was far from a momentary lapse.
Eh??? I know! Why don't we all come off slip roads at around 20MPH, because it's highly likely there will be a horse box sitting there with a flat tyre. I even saw a convoy of them in the outside lane all with flat tyres! It happens every day!You really need to think about this because it is now bloody painfully obvious after looking at the picture of the site that this happened on a left hand bend; the clear and obvious rezason why the accused didn't see the truck until the last minute. He made a mistake; he is NOT a criminal!
J
jith said:
heebeegeetee said:
I'm sorry to bang on about this but I disagree. It should not be unexpected that a vehicle had stopped, it's a commonplace occurrence and something to look out for, plus the court heard that this was far from a momentary lapse.
Eh??? I know! Why don't we all come off slip roads at around 20MPH, because it's highly likely there will be a horse box sitting there with a flat tyre. I even saw a convoy of them in the outside lane all with flat tyres! It happens every day!You really need to think about this because it is now bloody painfully obvious after looking at the picture of the site that this happened on a left hand bend; the clear and obvious rezason why the accused didn't see the truck until the last minute. He made a mistake; he is NOT a criminal!
J
jith said:
1. Eh??? I know! Why don't we all come off slip roads at around 20MPH, because it's highly likely there will be a horse box sitting there with a flat tyre. I even saw a convoy of them in the outside lane all with flat tyres! It happens every day!
2. You really need to think about this because it is now bloody painfully obvious after looking at the picture of the site that this happened on a left hand bend; the clear and obvious rezason why the accused didn't see the truck until the last minute. He made a mistake; he is NOT a criminal!
J
1. since when did you need to slow to 20mph just to pass someone at the side of the road?2. You really need to think about this because it is now bloody painfully obvious after looking at the picture of the site that this happened on a left hand bend; the clear and obvious rezason why the accused didn't see the truck until the last minute. He made a mistake; he is NOT a criminal!
J
2. I'm not so sure.
Ken Figenus said:
Clear now on location - an offslip for J28 E. Guess the red car is the Scenic? I conclude it makes little real sense - hence the guilty plea? Tragic.
jith said:
Eh??? I know! Why don't we all come off slip roads at around 20MPH, because it's highly likely there will be a horse box sitting there with a flat tyre. I even saw a convoy of them in the outside lane all with flat tyres! It happens every day!
You really need to think about this because it is now bloody painfully obvious after looking at the picture of the site that this happened on a left hand bend; the clear and obvious rezason why the accused didn't see the truck until the last minute. He made a mistake; he is NOT a criminal!
J
you should ALWAYS be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear (or half that for single track roads). If this means slowing to 20mph then if you don't you are driving dangerously because you will most definitely crash into something if it happens to be in your way. You really need to think about this because it is now bloody painfully obvious after looking at the picture of the site that this happened on a left hand bend; the clear and obvious rezason why the accused didn't see the truck until the last minute. He made a mistake; he is NOT a criminal!
J
Why do people find this concept so hard to understand?
The guy made a mistake , he's not a criminal, the sentence doesn't make sense when you read this
A THUG jailed in 2008 after killing a teenager in a violent town centre attack is back behind bars after punching a man to the ground on Bridge Street.
Former bouncer Wayne Jenks, of Longford Street, served little more than a year in prison after killing 19-year-old Ryan Kelly, who he punched in a late-night attack on Rylands Street.
The 37-year-old was jailed for manslaughter after he admitted killing the popular teen but is now back in prison for another brutal town centre assault.
http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/14839170....
Most long distance drivers will loose concentration ,some for long periods of time ,in America they call it highway hypnosis
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/highway-hypnosis/stor...
rear end shunts are commonplace when something is stopped where you don't expect it to be because for the last 50,000 miles it wasn't there
Sending people to prison for making a mistake won't change that
A THUG jailed in 2008 after killing a teenager in a violent town centre attack is back behind bars after punching a man to the ground on Bridge Street.
Former bouncer Wayne Jenks, of Longford Street, served little more than a year in prison after killing 19-year-old Ryan Kelly, who he punched in a late-night attack on Rylands Street.
The 37-year-old was jailed for manslaughter after he admitted killing the popular teen but is now back in prison for another brutal town centre assault.
http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/14839170....
Most long distance drivers will loose concentration ,some for long periods of time ,in America they call it highway hypnosis
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/highway-hypnosis/stor...
rear end shunts are commonplace when something is stopped where you don't expect it to be because for the last 50,000 miles it wasn't there
Sending people to prison for making a mistake won't change that
Reminds me of a case on the A1 where a driver stopped on the A1 after a minor accident and was subsequently hit, resulting in the death of some of her passengers. The driver was convicted for dangerous but the driver who hit the stopped vehicle was convicted for careless. http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/environmen...
Reflecting on both of these cases, mistakes were made by all parties. I can't see how prison should help them or act as a deterrent - these were not crimes committed with foresight and malice and, in my view, simply reflect that as a society we accept the fact that most people are allowed to drive as long as they pass our driving test, which doesn't prepare drivers well for unusual or adverse situations. It then follows that the definition of dangerous driving is left wide open to subjectivity.
Reflecting on both of these cases, mistakes were made by all parties. I can't see how prison should help them or act as a deterrent - these were not crimes committed with foresight and malice and, in my view, simply reflect that as a society we accept the fact that most people are allowed to drive as long as they pass our driving test, which doesn't prepare drivers well for unusual or adverse situations. It then follows that the definition of dangerous driving is left wide open to subjectivity.
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