Views on Porsche Cayenne seized by GMP
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http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
Not quite sure about all the legalities surrounding this story. Let's not even get into the driveway issue.
So couple buy Porsche Cayenne by bank transfer from garage. Garage has it on SOR from the owner who is Scotland based. Seems that garage fail to forward proceeds to original owner. GMP go to new owners and take car off them and treat them as if they were accessories.
My understanding was that if the buyers bought from the garage and bought in good faith without having knowledge of the garage's planned deceit, good title passed to the new owners and the issue was between the garage and original owner?
Not quite sure about all the legalities surrounding this story. Let's not even get into the driveway issue.
So couple buy Porsche Cayenne by bank transfer from garage. Garage has it on SOR from the owner who is Scotland based. Seems that garage fail to forward proceeds to original owner. GMP go to new owners and take car off them and treat them as if they were accessories.
My understanding was that if the buyers bought from the garage and bought in good faith without having knowledge of the garage's planned deceit, good title passed to the new owners and the issue was between the garage and original owner?
KungFuPanda said:
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greate...
Not quite sure about all the legalities surrounding this story. Let's not even get into the driveway issue.
So couple buy Porsche Cayenne by bank transfer from garage. Garage has it on SOR from the owner who is Scotland based. Seems that garage fail to forward proceeds to original owner. GMP go to new owners and take car off them and treat them as if they were accessories.
My understanding was that if the buyers bought from the garage and bought in good faith without having knowledge of the garage's planned deceit, good title passed to the new owners and the issue was between the garage and original owner?
Good title cannot pass, because the garage didn't have it in the first place.Not quite sure about all the legalities surrounding this story. Let's not even get into the driveway issue.
So couple buy Porsche Cayenne by bank transfer from garage. Garage has it on SOR from the owner who is Scotland based. Seems that garage fail to forward proceeds to original owner. GMP go to new owners and take car off them and treat them as if they were accessories.
My understanding was that if the buyers bought from the garage and bought in good faith without having knowledge of the garage's planned deceit, good title passed to the new owners and the issue was between the garage and original owner?
If you buy stolen goods in good faith, it doesn't stop them from being stolen.
The couple would need to get legal on the garage that scammed them to get their money back. The legal cover on their insurance would help - but the garage has gone into liquidation - which is probably why the original owner never got paid or his property back. Remember, sale or return. Not the garage's to sell. They stole the goods and/or money when they sold the car and didn't give the money to the owner.
Of course the garage couldn't just give them a brace of BMWs once they'd gone into liquidation... They became unsecured creditors like all the other creditors. HMRC probably forced the liquidation, and they (legally) get first dibs. Don't screw with the taxman.
As for the drive, two hopes.
Edited by TooMany2cvs on Tuesday 18th October 17:46
I wonder in what way this case is different to the others which occasionally make the press where people have had their vehicle sold by one of these 'sale or return' outfits and never receive the proceeds?
It usually seems to be the seller (original owner I mean) who ends up without car or cash.
It usually seems to be the seller (original owner I mean) who ends up without car or cash.
Simon Walker said:
"We cannot just repair the driveway as it is natural stone - it needs replacing."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-37... <- surprisingly shonky reporting from the Beeb.Umm, has he EVER seen "natural stone"? Here's a clue. It doesn't need to cure.
Unsurprisingly, it's this outfit... http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/news/14133953.Lu...
TooMany2cvs said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-37... <- surprisingly shonky reporting from the Beeb.
Umm, has he EVER seen "natural stone"? Here's a clue. It doesn't need to cure.
Unsurprisingly, it's this outfit... http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/news/14133953.Lu...
The Drive is Sureset, its resin bound and is £90 M2 on a bad day. There's 2M2 of repair there.Umm, has he EVER seen "natural stone"? Here's a clue. It doesn't need to cure.
Unsurprisingly, it's this outfit... http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/news/14133953.Lu...
I do believe the original owner is a PHer and had a thread about this, I'll dig out the thread....
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Sheepshanks said:
Odd that the story was reported yesterday, yet happened exactly a year ago.
I'm surprised the Police got involved - they seem to play the "civil matter" card at every opportunity.
It looks like the Original owner was able to show form or something suggesting criminal enterprise. It wasn't a one off mistake on the dealers part-he did this sort of thing a lot. And i can bet the new owners financed the car so it's not £50k out of pocket at all.I'm surprised the Police got involved - they seem to play the "civil matter" card at every opportunity.
So the police took the first car because it was stolen. They went back to the garage and the resolution was to give them two BMWs, and they saw nothing wrong with this offer, and no likelihood that the garage that had sold them a stolen car would be giving them two more stolen cars? Cars are one of the easiest things to check the status of and they wonder why the police are not interested in them as victims.
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