Row with neighbour about parking
Discussion
Trabi601 said:
I've just concluded that there are some really thoughtless and self centred idiots on this thread.
Trabi601 said:
I tend to have a rule that if something is going to cause inconvenience or annoy others, I will do my best to avoid it.
You don't feel that calling others idiots might annoy them? Maybe in the same way that you don't feel that making students park elsewhere will inconvenience them?You might want to consider your statements more thoroughly as they seem a bit self-contradictory.
Trabi601 said:
I've just concluded that there are some really thoughtless and self centred idiots on this thread.
They're quite happy to upset people who have no strength or ability to stick up for themselves. They're only concerned when they wind up a meathead who sticks up for himself. Perhaps this should be built nextdoor to them.
http://www.skiptheoutfit.com/
Trabi601 said:
I've just concluded that there are some really thoughtless and self centred idiots on this thread.
Your problem is that you obviously live on a street, or in an estate that has no recognisable parking problems and hence cannot understand their views and opinions, because they are alien to you and those views are irrelevant where you live.IF you lived in a street or estate with numerically more cars than on-road parking spaces and any/all empty space are coveted, then the associated comments on here make much more sense.
johnwilliams77 said:
Hol said:
IF you lived in a street or estate with numerically more cars than on-road parking spaces and any/all empty space are coveted, then the associated comments on here make much more sense.
i.e. poor people 
ASONI said:
Might be in the minorty but completely disagree. I live in a nice newish estate and whilst most houses have a drive way for 1 car, there will always be a need to park on the road as well.
I get very annoyed when someone parks in front of my house (unless it's a neighbour obviously in which case it's fine).
It may not be illegal BUT in my opinion it is VERY discourteous. Clearly, the person that lives in that house is going to want to park there.
Don't agree with the guys behaviour at all however, you parked there simply because you preferred it to your normal spot I think? Whereas he wants to park the because it's actually right outside his house.
If you want more space to park 2 cars, buy a house with a bigger drive. Or sell a car.I get very annoyed when someone parks in front of my house (unless it's a neighbour obviously in which case it's fine).
It may not be illegal BUT in my opinion it is VERY discourteous. Clearly, the person that lives in that house is going to want to park there.
Don't agree with the guys behaviour at all however, you parked there simply because you preferred it to your normal spot I think? Whereas he wants to park the because it's actually right outside his house.
Or petition for yellow lines.
But please don't suggest it's discourteous to legally park a car on a public road.
oyster said:
If you want more space to park 2 cars, buy a house with a bigger drive. Or sell a car.
Or petition for yellow lines.
But please don't suggest it's discourteous to legally park a car on a public road.
I think it can be. One of our neighbours has a big drive, 2 cars. Drive is big enough for 5 cars.Or petition for yellow lines.
But please don't suggest it's discourteous to legally park a car on a public road.
Where do they both park? Outside anyone's house but never outside their house, or on their drive.
The reason? It snowed once and they couldn't get off the drive so they don't like to run the risk. This was in JULY.
CasuallyDressed said:
s3fella said:
Everyone saying buy a 500 transit to piss the guy off, what a daft idea. OP cannot park in the space and it costs him 500 quid, it's retarded.
OP, you know the law, your entitled to park there, as is he. The trouble you have, and you know you have, is that this guy may well key your car, and it may cost you as you may not be able to prove it. Also, they have how many cars versus how many you have? If they start parking all theirs on the road, you may not have anywhere in the street to park yours.
It is not worth getting involved in an argument, IMHO. In fact, I'd actively try to appease the chap if I were you. Understand his position, whether it be convenience, security, maybe his son leaves for work dead early and they don't want to upset neighbours up the street with him starting his van early, outside their own house it wakes them up! Who knows? But it is obviously something that bothers him, so why not try to get along with him and sort something else out?
Your car may well end up being far less at risk parked up the street or out the way of your sight, after all, it may be visible from your front room, but you don't sleep there, and don't watch it 24 hours! It's just not worth the hassle IMO, and you never know, if you concede to your neighbour you may end up getting along ok and having someone you can ask the odd favour of, after all, HE knows the law too and knows that he can only ask you to appease him.
I think you're giving my neighbour far too much credit. While I agree with most of what you said, saying that he knows the law (he doesn't, he's dead set that the space outside his house is his) is incorrect and implying that I can have any kind of friendly relationship with a mouthy thug who threatens strangers is simply wrong.OP, you know the law, your entitled to park there, as is he. The trouble you have, and you know you have, is that this guy may well key your car, and it may cost you as you may not be able to prove it. Also, they have how many cars versus how many you have? If they start parking all theirs on the road, you may not have anywhere in the street to park yours.
It is not worth getting involved in an argument, IMHO. In fact, I'd actively try to appease the chap if I were you. Understand his position, whether it be convenience, security, maybe his son leaves for work dead early and they don't want to upset neighbours up the street with him starting his van early, outside their own house it wakes them up! Who knows? But it is obviously something that bothers him, so why not try to get along with him and sort something else out?
Your car may well end up being far less at risk parked up the street or out the way of your sight, after all, it may be visible from your front room, but you don't sleep there, and don't watch it 24 hours! It's just not worth the hassle IMO, and you never know, if you concede to your neighbour you may end up getting along ok and having someone you can ask the odd favour of, after all, HE knows the law too and knows that he can only ask you to appease him.
I've decided to move my car a few houses down. Unfortunately I can no longer see it (agreed, I don't sleep in the lounge, but now if I hear a car alarm I can't just peak out to make sure it's not me) but rather that than leaving it at semi permanent risk by parking it outside his house.
I don't like it, I'm not happy about it, I detest being bullied, and the other half seems more p*ssed off about it than me. It's a sh*tty situation which he alone has caused. If he were civil about it then I would've backed down and said fair enough. But he wasn't. He immediately started yelling (which is a quick way to wind me up) and threatened to damage my property. He threw civility out the window straight away. People like him don't deserve courtesy.
You have exceeded your allocated parking by 100%. Your neighbour (if he has 3 cars on the drive and 1 on the street) has exceeded it by 33%.
So, at best, you're equally to blame.
Arguably you're more to blame.
Trabi601 said:
Rovinghawk said:
Trabi601 said:
If challenged, the students all have 'the right to park there'. Absolutely no consideration for residents of the housing estate.
So they shouldn't park there because you want to park there. Got it.I just think it's inconsiderate and downright rude to park in a housing estate and wander off to college for the day - especially as it makes the place an unsighted slalom course in places.
I wouldn't do it, but then I tend to have a rule that if something is going to cause inconvenience or annoy others, I will do my best to avoid it.
If everyone lived by the rule that you can do anything you like so long as it's not illegal, the world would be unbearable.
You have a perception that it's rude. A strange, old-fashioned misperception that you 'own' the streets on your estate.
Trabi601 said:
DoubleD said:
So is there somewhere else for them to park?
Yes. But it involves either paying or walking further.Or they could use the train, bus, or many of them could potentially walk.
The council put double yellows on the road outside the college and have residents parking on the terraced streets nearby - but it just shifted the parking to another place.
As per another poster - this kind of thing ends up having knock-on effects - means residents end up parking half on the pavement, or parking on bends, next to junctions, etc. - which ultimately could lead to yellow lines being put down, making life very difficult for the people who have paid good money to buy a house in what was a very private and quiet development.
Is it a bit Hyacinth Bucket? - possibly. But when you pay a premium for a house, you don't then expect the development to be invaded by student cars ditched all over the place a few years later.
Other people are allowed to be inconvenienced, as long as it's not you?
Personally I think it's downright rude to expect someone to pay for something they can have for free simply to satisfy the NIMBY opinions of you.
Vaud said:
I think it can be. One of our neighbours has a big drive, 2 cars. Drive is big enough for 5 cars.
Where do they both park? Outside anyone's house but never outside their house, or on their drive.
The reason? It snowed once and they couldn't get off the drive so they don't like to run the risk. This was in JULY.
+1Where do they both park? Outside anyone's house but never outside their house, or on their drive.
The reason? It snowed once and they couldn't get off the drive so they don't like to run the risk. This was in JULY.
Some people on our estate park cars on the road when they have dedicated and unused allocated parking spaces, also unused garages, purely for the sheer convenience of parking within inches of their front doors. I consider this behaviour inconsiderate as the cars on the street create unnecessary obstructions (physical and visibility on corners especially). I also happen to think it makes the place look a bit of a mess. Agree in general that when all allocated parking is consumed its pretty much a free for all.
Trabi601 said:
We have a college across a small stream and road from the housing estate.
The college doesn't have enough parking for their students and the council has painted double yellows the full length of the road on which the college has it's main entrance. This is the only college boundary that is along a road - the rest boundaries woods and parkland.
So the students now park their cars in our housing estate.
It's bloody irritating, as it causes traffic flow problems (it's not a 'busy' estate, but there isn't a straight road in it - think it was designed to keep traffic speeds down) - and on some roads, it means someone's chav hatch is parked outside their house almost every day during term time.
If challenged, the students all have 'the right to park there'. Absolutely no consideration for residents of the housing estate.
It appears to me the residents of the housing estate have absolutely no consideration for the students. In a later post you suggest they can park further away, or walk, or pay to park. Under that suggestion can we add 'the house owners could consider moving away'? It is equally as valid. The college doesn't have enough parking for their students and the council has painted double yellows the full length of the road on which the college has it's main entrance. This is the only college boundary that is along a road - the rest boundaries woods and parkland.
So the students now park their cars in our housing estate.
It's bloody irritating, as it causes traffic flow problems (it's not a 'busy' estate, but there isn't a straight road in it - think it was designed to keep traffic speeds down) - and on some roads, it means someone's chav hatch is parked outside their house almost every day during term time.
If challenged, the students all have 'the right to park there'. Absolutely no consideration for residents of the housing estate.
Most students could not afford several pounds a day to park. Why should they walk further when there is legal parking closer? Just because a NIMBY doesn't like it?
KevinCamaroSS said:
Trabi601 said:
We have a college across a small stream and road from the housing estate.
The college doesn't have enough parking for their students and the council has painted double yellows the full length of the road on which the college has it's main entrance. This is the only college boundary that is along a road - the rest boundaries woods and parkland.
So the students now park their cars in our housing estate.
It's bloody irritating, as it causes traffic flow problems (it's not a 'busy' estate, but there isn't a straight road in it - think it was designed to keep traffic speeds down) - and on some roads, it means someone's chav hatch is parked outside their house almost every day during term time.
If challenged, the students all have 'the right to park there'. Absolutely no consideration for residents of the housing estate.
It appears to me the residents of the housing estate have absolutely no consideration for the students. In a later post you suggest they can park further away, or walk, or pay to park. Under that suggestion can we add 'the house owners could consider moving away'? It is equally as valid. The college doesn't have enough parking for their students and the council has painted double yellows the full length of the road on which the college has it's main entrance. This is the only college boundary that is along a road - the rest boundaries woods and parkland.
So the students now park their cars in our housing estate.
It's bloody irritating, as it causes traffic flow problems (it's not a 'busy' estate, but there isn't a straight road in it - think it was designed to keep traffic speeds down) - and on some roads, it means someone's chav hatch is parked outside their house almost every day during term time.
If challenged, the students all have 'the right to park there'. Absolutely no consideration for residents of the housing estate.
Most students could not afford several pounds a day to park. Why should they walk further when there is legal parking closer? Just because a NIMBY doesn't like it?
Vaud said:
I think it can be. One of our neighbours has a big drive, 2 cars. Drive is big enough for 5 cars.
Where do they both park? Outside anyone's house but never outside their house, or on their drive.
The reason? It snowed once and they couldn't get off the drive so they don't like to run the risk. This was in JULY.
Buy them a bag of grit and a shovel?Where do they both park? Outside anyone's house but never outside their house, or on their drive.
The reason? It snowed once and they couldn't get off the drive so they don't like to run the risk. This was in JULY.
I live on a steep road and have had to dig out 20 metres of deep snow before to get to work.
McGraw said:
Buy them a bag of grit and a shovel?
I live on a steep road and have had to dig out 20 metres of deep snow before to get to work.
Well generally we do all muck in to clear the street when it is snowy, before it packs down to ice. I live on a steep road and have had to dig out 20 metres of deep snow before to get to work.
I can't remember the last time it snowed in July here... I'd have no objection in the winter to them parking outside my house in the winter, but the idea that they have given up using their drive all year round, and now only park outside of other people's houses is just mental.
speedyguy said:
Trabi601 said:
Looking at where I live, most cars are too big for the garage. These houses are 15 years old.
"Storage garage" ?Biggest load of b
ks I have heard, when I was delivering to some new build garage blocks about 15 years ago I thought wtf, at best the internal garage walls were no more than 6inch off the car both sides leaving the only exit route through a sunroof or via the boot.I've seen houses when the garage door is opened there is about 3 foot behind it "now a bike store" as the house has been extended internally ffs
Vaud said:
Well generally we do all muck in to clear the street when it is snowy, before it packs down to ice.
I can't remember the last time it snowed in July here... I'd have no objection in the winter to them parking outside my house in the winter, but the idea that they have given up using their drive all year round, and now only park outside of other people's houses is just mental.
its taking the p1ss, and they will know it!I can't remember the last time it snowed in July here... I'd have no objection in the winter to them parking outside my house in the winter, but the idea that they have given up using their drive all year round, and now only park outside of other people's houses is just mental.
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