Avon and Somerset Police using redlight camera for speeding
Discussion
surveyor_101 said:
No I am saying 40/50 limit then drops and to a 30 and it's just convenient you have 100 yards and then a speed camera and it's no camera sign so it. It a deterant so it's not reducing speed. People are doing more than 30 daily I just must of not gone more than 33/5 through here sing may 2015 as I have not had a ticket. They must be printing money
Only getting money from the people who are daft enough to speed past a traffic light camera.I'm very happy that such idiots are supporting the police, long may they continue to do so.
surveyor_101 said:
No I am saying 40/50 limit then drops and to a 30 and it's just convenient you have 100 yards and then a speed camera and it's no camera sign so it. It a deterant so it's not reducing speed. People are doing more than 30 daily I just must of not gone more than 33/5 through here sing may 2015 as I have not had a ticket. They must be printing money
Boo. Hoo. So. Unfair.FFS.
surveyor_101 said:
100 yards before the lights until about 18months ago, it was a 50! When they resurfaced the toneway dual track that had been 50 for years with a low accident rate they changed it to a 40. They changed the signage before the traffic regulation order was even processed! So for months it wasn't even officially a 40.
It has always been 30 a 100 yards before the lights. Most people do more than 30 along here. Themcamera got our driver at 37 so must not clock drivers till 35 plus.
Also all the speed cameras here were switched off in 2013 as the camera partnership closed. The council said they didn't want to run the cameras. The in 2015 the police bought them for £1 and started re opening sites and it looks like they switched this camera then and didn't tell anyone or update their own records.
Your driver should be obeying the speed limit signs regardless of whether there's a camera there or not, and regardless of whether there are any camera warning signs or not.It has always been 30 a 100 yards before the lights. Most people do more than 30 along here. Themcamera got our driver at 37 so must not clock drivers till 35 plus.
Also all the speed cameras here were switched off in 2013 as the camera partnership closed. The council said they didn't want to run the cameras. The in 2015 the police bought them for £1 and started re opening sites and it looks like they switched this camera then and didn't tell anyone or update their own records.
Edited by surveyor_101 on Friday 28th October 09:58
He failed to comply with the legal limit (a limit that he must have been aware of based on your statement: "It has always been 30 a 100 yards before the lights.....), and got caught.
Complaining about the fact that the Police turned the camera back on without telling anybody simply makes you sound like a spoilt child having a tantrum!
They didn't tell anyone they'd turned the camera back? - So what? Tough s
t!If the camera wasn't switched on, would that make what your driver did legal somehow?
Because the Police didn't tell anyone they'd turned the camera back on, did that make what your driver did legal somehow?
Does the Law stipulate anywhere that you must only comply with the Legal Speed limit if there is a camera in place, and only if the Police/local authority have notified the public that there is a working camera in place? - I don't think so!
Instead of trying to justify your driver breaking the Law by jumping up and down, stamping your feet and balling out: "IT'S NOT FAIR!!!! THEY DIDN'T TELL US THE CAMERA WAS WORKING!!!!!", perhaps you'd do better to advise your drivers that if they don't want to lose their licences and possibly their jobs, they should really drive to the posted speed limits!
I work on this simple theory (So simple even you might be able to understand it!):
If you choose to deliberately break the speed limit then you have to accept that there is a possibility that you're going to get caught one way or another, and you've only got yourself to blame!
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, got the points on the licence, and at no time did I ever think it was someone else's fault, because it was My decision to break the Law!
4rephill said:
Your driver should be obeying the speed limit signs regardless of whether there's a camera there or not, and regardless of whether there are any camera warning signs or not.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, got the points on the licence, and at no time did I ever think it was someone else's fault, because it was My decision to break the Law!
All accepted points, driver holds his hands up. its not 2-3 its 7mph over not excusable.Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, got the points on the licence, and at no time did I ever think it was someone else's fault, because it was My decision to break the Law!
My question really relates to the point of the camera and misleading information on their website.
Cameras are sited to prevent accidents at areas supposedly were there is a risk or has been of serious injuries.
By not having accurate information on the camera on their website and being unclear on the cameras propose, the locals i have spoken to all state people do more than 30 along that section as they belief the camera is not working still or just red light.
If A&S police made it clear speed would go down and so would the risk profile of the road.
Its hard to argue the stealthy way they have switched, this camera was down for any other reason than revenue generation.
surveyor_101 said:
All accepted points, driver holds his hands up. its not 2-3 its 7mph over not excusable.
My question really relates to the point of the camera and misleading information on their website.
Cameras are sited to prevent accidents at areas supposedly were there is a risk or has been of serious injuries.
By not having accurate information on the camera on their website and being unclear on the cameras propose, the locals i have spoken to all state people do more than 30 along that section as they belief the camera is not working still or just red light.
If A&S police made it clear speed would go down and so would the risk profile of the road.
Its hard to argue the stealthy way they have switched, this camera was down for any other reason than revenue generation.
Your point makes no sense at all. Most people drive at more than 30 in 30 limits, but not so much over that they will get caught by a static camera. Why someone would gamble that a camera is only a red light camera and speed through it is beyond me. The fact that it says it's a red light camera on the police website is completely irrelevant. These locals that you've spoken to must either all be banned, have a shedload of points, or be more moderate in their speeding. My question really relates to the point of the camera and misleading information on their website.
Cameras are sited to prevent accidents at areas supposedly were there is a risk or has been of serious injuries.
By not having accurate information on the camera on their website and being unclear on the cameras propose, the locals i have spoken to all state people do more than 30 along that section as they belief the camera is not working still or just red light.
If A&S police made it clear speed would go down and so would the risk profile of the road.
Its hard to argue the stealthy way they have switched, this camera was down for any other reason than revenue generation.
I'd like to refer back to my comment over your spelling and grammar too, one or two typos occasionally is to be expected, but you consistently use "of" when the word is "have" and in this post have used propose for purpose and belief for believe. If you are a surveyor how do write accurate reports for people?
Ive seen a couple of 2-4-1 profit red/speed cameras in london, nothing new, gatsos so noramlly have the road markings?
Great idea though, making people remove their concentration from the road and its various hazards right at the particularly incresed hazard area of a junction to check a dial on the dash. These spanners in charge now really have no interest or concept of what road safety is do they?
Great idea though, making people remove their concentration from the road and its various hazards right at the particularly incresed hazard area of a junction to check a dial on the dash. These spanners in charge now really have no interest or concept of what road safety is do they?
The junction cameras on tall poles have always had the facility (in technical terms) to enforce both speed and red light offences. A&S were particularly keen on them - I can remember a number at junctions around the Clifton/Downs area probably getting on for 15-20 years ago.
The way I look at it they're intended to act as a deterrent to those who might see a green light change to amber, or think its about to, and choose to accelerate through the junction rather than coming to a stop. The potential for a collision when badly judged is fairly high IF you go across a light that's gone red to the point other traffic has set off.
Clearly we're all driving gods and have the best observational skills of any driving community, so know instinctively whether the limits apply to us or we can choose to stretch them without risk (note, there is a heavy hint of sarcasm in that sentence), but in over 25 years of driving I've never once triggered one of these things and can't see how anyone can miss seeing one and knowing their potential purpose....
The way I look at it they're intended to act as a deterrent to those who might see a green light change to amber, or think its about to, and choose to accelerate through the junction rather than coming to a stop. The potential for a collision when badly judged is fairly high IF you go across a light that's gone red to the point other traffic has set off.
Clearly we're all driving gods and have the best observational skills of any driving community, so know instinctively whether the limits apply to us or we can choose to stretch them without risk (note, there is a heavy hint of sarcasm in that sentence), but in over 25 years of driving I've never once triggered one of these things and can't see how anyone can miss seeing one and knowing their potential purpose....
hairyben said:
Ive seen a couple of 2-4-1 profit red/speed cameras in london, nothing new, gatsos so noramlly have the road markings?
Great idea though, making people remove their concentration from the road and its various hazards right at the particularly incresed hazard area of a junction to check a dial on the dash. These spanners in charge now really have no interest or concept of what road safety is do they?
Yep, those idiots should just let people drive at whatever the fGreat idea though, making people remove their concentration from the road and its various hazards right at the particularly incresed hazard area of a junction to check a dial on the dash. These spanners in charge now really have no interest or concept of what road safety is do they?
k speed they choose to. Then we would all be safer.Gavia said:
Your point makes no sense at all. Most people drive at more than 30 in 30 limits, but not so much over that they will get caught by a static camera. Why someone would gamble that a camera is only a red light camera and speed through it is beyond me. The fact that it says it's a red light camera on the police website is completely irrelevant. These locals that you've spoken to must either all be banned, have a shedload of points, or be more moderate in their speeding.
I'd like to refer back to my comment over your spelling and grammar too, one or two typos occasionally is to be expected, but you consistently use "of" when the word is "have" and in this post have used propose for purpose and belief for believe. If you are a surveyor how do write accurate reports for people?
I am a chartered quantity surveyor.I'd like to refer back to my comment over your spelling and grammar too, one or two typos occasionally is to be expected, but you consistently use "of" when the word is "have" and in this post have used propose for purpose and belief for believe. If you are a surveyor how do write accurate reports for people?
I proof read work stuff and don't post it on my phone.
singlecoil said:
hairyben said:
Ive seen a couple of 2-4-1 profit red/speed cameras in london, nothing new, gatsos so noramlly have the road markings?
Great idea though, making people remove their concentration from the road and its various hazards right at the particularly incresed hazard area of a junction to check a dial on the dash. These spanners in charge now really have no interest or concept of what road safety is do they?
Yep, those idiots should just let people drive at whatever the fGreat idea though, making people remove their concentration from the road and its various hazards right at the particularly incresed hazard area of a junction to check a dial on the dash. These spanners in charge now really have no interest or concept of what road safety is do they?
k speed they choose to. Then we would all be safer.Rules and enforcement are inevitable, how you enforce rules can have quite different effects.
hairyben said:
Thats a very foolish thing to say.
Rules and enforcement are inevitable, how you enforce rules can have quite different effects.
It takes a split second to check your speed, so hardly the nightmare you're portraying it as. Plus you should have a pretty good grasp of what speed you're doing anyway Rules and enforcement are inevitable, how you enforce rules can have quite different effects.
surveyor_101 said:
Gavia said:
Your point makes no sense at all. Most people drive at more than 30 in 30 limits, but not so much over that they will get caught by a static camera. Why someone would gamble that a camera is only a red light camera and speed through it is beyond me. The fact that it says it's a red light camera on the police website is completely irrelevant. These locals that you've spoken to must either all be banned, have a shedload of points, or be more moderate in their speeding.
I'd like to refer back to my comment over your spelling and grammar too, one or two typos occasionally is to be expected, but you consistently use "of" when the word is "have" and in this post have used propose for purpose and belief for believe. If you are a surveyor how do write accurate reports for people?
I am a chartered quantity surveyor.I'd like to refer back to my comment over your spelling and grammar too, one or two typos occasionally is to be expected, but you consistently use "of" when the word is "have" and in this post have used propose for purpose and belief for believe. If you are a surveyor how do write accurate reports for people?
I proof read work stuff and don't post it on my phone.
hairyben said:
singlecoil said:
hairyben said:
Ive seen a couple of 2-4-1 profit red/speed cameras in london, nothing new, gatsos so noramlly have the road markings?
Great idea though, making people remove their concentration from the road and its various hazards right at the particularly incresed hazard area of a junction to check a dial on the dash. These spanners in charge now really have no interest or concept of what road safety is do they?
Yep, those idiots should just let people drive at whatever the fGreat idea though, making people remove their concentration from the road and its various hazards right at the particularly incresed hazard area of a junction to check a dial on the dash. These spanners in charge now really have no interest or concept of what road safety is do they?
k speed they choose to. Then we would all be safer.
Gavia said:
Rather than just focusing on my second question, what about the bit that relates to the topic?
My point briefly is;If the end game is to slow people down and reduce serious collisions, then surely making it clear that it is a speed camera with signage and making sure their website is clear would be better than! The more stealthly approach they seem to operate and using a camera that doesn't flashing just issue lots of tickets.
The goal should be to slow people down not just penalise the speeders ask discreetly as possible.
surveyor_101 said:
Gavia said:
Rather than just focusing on my second question, what about the bit that relates to the topic?
My point briefly is;If the end game is to slow people down and reduce serious collisions, then surely making it clear that it is a speed camera with signage and making sure their website is clear would be better than! The more stealthly approach they seem to operate and using a camera that doesn't flashing just issue lots of tickets.
The goal should be to slow people down not just penalise the speeders ask discreetly as possible.
I bet he slows down now, a sign displaying the limit clearly didnt work.
surveyor_101 said:
My point briefly is;
If the end game is to slow people down and reduce serious collisions, then surely making it clear that it is a speed camera with signage and making sure their website is clear would be better than! The more stealthly approach they seem to operate and using a camera that doesn't flashing just issue lots of tickets.
The goal should be to slow people down not just penalise the speeders ask discreetly as possible.
Surely you can see the enormous hole in your logic!If the end game is to slow people down and reduce serious collisions, then surely making it clear that it is a speed camera with signage and making sure their website is clear would be better than! The more stealthly approach they seem to operate and using a camera that doesn't flashing just issue lots of tickets.
The goal should be to slow people down not just penalise the speeders ask discreetly as possible.
Yes, the goal is to slow people down if they are exceeding the limit. Advertising the presence of speed cameras would be idiotic bearing the goal in mind. The goal is not to slow people down in certain well-advertised places, leaving them free to go as fast as they like elsewhere, it's to get them to drive within the limit EVERYWHERE.
That's what I started doing when I'd been caught a couple of times by unseen cameras. I may exceed the limit by a penalty attracting margin when overtaking on an NSL road but otherwise I make sure to keep within the quite generous prosecution guidelines allowed.
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