Asda HGV - how slow is too slow?
Discussion
All you idiots moaning and whinging about the slower speed of some HGV's
I own two a 32 tonner and 10 tonner both are used and operated as heavy plant, plus hire in larger articulated 44 ton tankers
To take the operators point of view a road may have 50 limit however other features, location and condition of road are factors which a competent driver should take into account.
Perhaps take the extended training and gain that license to drive heavy goods or PSV vehicles, then see it from a professional driver / operators point of view.
Maybe as the maximum legal speed in this country is 70mph all your cars and other such means of transport should all be limited to 68 MPH as clearly many of your are incapable of reading the road ahead and seeing large slower moving vehicles.
A five year medical requirement and an additional course like the CPC for all you
drivers as well.
I own two a 32 tonner and 10 tonner both are used and operated as heavy plant, plus hire in larger articulated 44 ton tankers
To take the operators point of view a road may have 50 limit however other features, location and condition of road are factors which a competent driver should take into account.
Perhaps take the extended training and gain that license to drive heavy goods or PSV vehicles, then see it from a professional driver / operators point of view.
Maybe as the maximum legal speed in this country is 70mph all your cars and other such means of transport should all be limited to 68 MPH as clearly many of your are incapable of reading the road ahead and seeing large slower moving vehicles.
A five year medical requirement and an additional course like the CPC for all you
drivers as well.
a4cabrio said:
Some of you are moaning about speeds which supermarket trucks are doing on single carriageways, it's for various reasons, 99.9% of the time a supermarket driver is never in a hurry, the job is not pressured as supermarket own transport isn't run for profit, it's a supply chain, so the driver is hardly ever pushed by his transport office to get a move on.
It's also an image thing as no supermarket wants it's trucks thundering through towns and villages on the speed limit, people who complain to a supermarket about the low speeds will be told it's partly a safety issue as no supermarket wants its vehicles involved in accidents as that is also bad for the company image.
Most supermarket goods are transported on roll cages, 45 of these on a standard trailer, although they are secured, they will still move, if they gain a momentum which can be caused by high speed and bends and cambers in the road then the chances of rolling the truck increase.
Lastly the 50mph speed limit is exactly that, a limit, not a target.
Bit in bold isn't true in most cases, ASDA excepted I think. It's also an image thing as no supermarket wants it's trucks thundering through towns and villages on the speed limit, people who complain to a supermarket about the low speeds will be told it's partly a safety issue as no supermarket wants its vehicles involved in accidents as that is also bad for the company image.
Most supermarket goods are transported on roll cages, 45 of these on a standard trailer, although they are secured, they will still move, if they gain a momentum which can be caused by high speed and bends and cambers in the road then the chances of rolling the truck increase.
Lastly the 50mph speed limit is exactly that, a limit, not a target.
The majority of supermarket own transport is ran on a 3rd party basis by the likes of DHL, and while some of it is 'open book', in that all costs are paid by the client, there's still a management fee that applies. Any that's closed book will be profit driven.
There's also a massive drive to meet or exceed various KPI's, one of which will be fuel consumption.
Also, the supermarkets have timed delivery slots. A lot of the bigger groups stick rigidly to these and will turn away a truck that's early, which then means the driver has the inconvenience of finding somewhere to park up and wait. This may be why the driver is dawdling.
And yes, a sudden shift of roll cages will turn a truck over. We had it happen on a number of occasions, they're held in fairly tightly, but by the very nature of them, there's a little space to the sides of the cages. They can occasionally move right or left.
I've felt them move myself in an 18 tonner, they only need to move a couple of inches, but when it's several tonnes of goods it definitely makes its presence felt.
It's fine normally, but if the driver is pushing too hard, he may run out of luck.
SVTRick said:
All you idiots moaning and whinging about the slower speed of some HGV's
I own two a 32 tonner and 10 tonner both are used and operated as heavy plant, plus hire in larger articulated 44 ton tankers
To take the operators point of view a road may have 50 limit however other features, location and condition of road are factors which a competent driver should take into account.
Perhaps take the extended training and gain that license to drive heavy goods or PSV vehicles, then see it from a professional driver / operators point of view.
Exactly right. A lot of self righteous claptrap on this thread spouted by people who have never driven anything larger than a Transit van. I own two a 32 tonner and 10 tonner both are used and operated as heavy plant, plus hire in larger articulated 44 ton tankers
To take the operators point of view a road may have 50 limit however other features, location and condition of road are factors which a competent driver should take into account.
Perhaps take the extended training and gain that license to drive heavy goods or PSV vehicles, then see it from a professional driver / operators point of view.
Reminds me of my mum, who once came out with the memorable moan:
Took me ages to get to Tesco today, so many large lorries on the road, they should ban them all. And when I got there they had precious little stock. If they can't keep it stocked up, they shouldn't be allowed to run a supermarket.
SVTRick said:
All you idiots moaning and whinging about the slower speed of some HGV's
I own two a 32 tonner and 10 tonner both are used and operated as heavy plant, plus hire in larger articulated 44 ton tankers
To take the operators point of view a road may have 50 limit however other features, location and condition of road are factors which a competent driver should take into account.
Perhaps take the extended training and gain that license to drive heavy goods or PSV vehicles, then see it from a professional driver / operators point of view.
Maybe as the maximum legal speed in this country is 70mph all your cars and other such means of transport should all be limited to 68 MPH as clearly many of your are incapable of reading the road ahead and seeing large slower moving vehicles.
A five year medical requirement and an additional course like the CPC for all you
drivers as well.
You should probably stop calling people retards and idiots. It's not particularly helpful.I own two a 32 tonner and 10 tonner both are used and operated as heavy plant, plus hire in larger articulated 44 ton tankers
To take the operators point of view a road may have 50 limit however other features, location and condition of road are factors which a competent driver should take into account.
Perhaps take the extended training and gain that license to drive heavy goods or PSV vehicles, then see it from a professional driver / operators point of view.
Maybe as the maximum legal speed in this country is 70mph all your cars and other such means of transport should all be limited to 68 MPH as clearly many of your are incapable of reading the road ahead and seeing large slower moving vehicles.
A five year medical requirement and an additional course like the CPC for all you
drivers as well.
KevinCamaroSS said:
All that jazz said:
Ah yes, those troublesome roll cages. That's what it is! Such a dangerous load that requires a really careful hand and stay below 40 mph 
.
So much s
t spouted in this thread it's unreal.
Some of it by you!. So much s
t spouted in this thread it's unreal.The world really IS run for the benefit of All that jazz and friends. It really IS sooooo unfaaaaair when they're held up for a few minutes by somebody not behaving in a manner that affords them suitable deference.
simoid said:
SVTRick said:
So you are quite happy to match the speed of the HGV and whinge about it
Yes to both, I suppose.SVTRick said:
The driver is not breaking the law and you in your own admission are doing the same speed in for car.
I think it might be inconsiderate or dangerously slow in the presence of other traffic. SVTRick said:
You would be moaning like hell if the truck had passed you a 60+ MPH
If it was inconsiderate or dangerous I probably would have a moan to myself, yes. Or on PH if I spotted a pattern.SVTRick said:
Get a life you retard
I'm quite happy with mine, thanks. I even manage to avoid throwing out insults on the internet on Saturday nights...!
TooMany2cvs said:
KevinCamaroSS said:
All that jazz said:
Ah yes, those troublesome roll cages. That's what it is! Such a dangerous load that requires a really careful hand and stay below 40 mph .
So much st spouted in this thread it's unreal.
Some of it by you!. So much s
t spouted in this thread it's unreal.The world really IS run for the benefit of All that jazz and friends. It really IS sooooo unfaaaaair when they're held up for a few minutes by somebody not behaving in a manner that affords them suitable deference.
Super Slo Mo said:
Bit in bold isn't true in most cases, ASDA excepted I think.
The majority of supermarket own transport is ran on a 3rd party basis by the likes of DHL, and while some of it is 'open book', in that all costs are paid by the client, there's still a management fee that applies. Any that's closed book will be profit driven.
There's also a massive drive to meet or exceed various KPI's, one of which will be fuel consumption.
Also, the supermarkets have timed delivery slots. A lot of the bigger groups stick rigidly to these and will turn away a truck that's early, which then means the driver has the inconvenience of finding somewhere to park up and wait. This may be why the driver is dawdling.
And yes, a sudden shift of roll cages will turn a truck over. We had it happen on a number of occasions, they're held in fairly tightly, but by the very nature of them, there's a little space to the sides of the cages. They can occasionally move right or left.
I've felt them move myself in an 18 tonner, they only need to move a couple of inches, but when it's several tonnes of goods it definitely makes its presence felt.
It's fine normally, but if the driver is pushing too hard, he may run out of luck.
The bit in bold is true in a lot of cases, Sainsbury's, Tesco, Morrisons all run a lot of their own transport, I know some use 3rd party but with the ones mentioned it's not all 3rd party. The majority of supermarket own transport is ran on a 3rd party basis by the likes of DHL, and while some of it is 'open book', in that all costs are paid by the client, there's still a management fee that applies. Any that's closed book will be profit driven.
There's also a massive drive to meet or exceed various KPI's, one of which will be fuel consumption.
Also, the supermarkets have timed delivery slots. A lot of the bigger groups stick rigidly to these and will turn away a truck that's early, which then means the driver has the inconvenience of finding somewhere to park up and wait. This may be why the driver is dawdling.
And yes, a sudden shift of roll cages will turn a truck over. We had it happen on a number of occasions, they're held in fairly tightly, but by the very nature of them, there's a little space to the sides of the cages. They can occasionally move right or left.
I've felt them move myself in an 18 tonner, they only need to move a couple of inches, but when it's several tonnes of goods it definitely makes its presence felt.
It's fine normally, but if the driver is pushing too hard, he may run out of luck.
The vast majority of stores will not be allowed to turn a delivery away, no matter what time it turns up, at least that's the case where I work.
The fella who was dismissing the idea of roll cages potentially causing a truck to turn over obviously hasn't got a clue, as you say, it doesn't take a lot of movement to cause it.
a4cabrio said:
The bit in bold is true in a lot of cases, Sainsbury's, Tesco, Morrisons all run a lot of their own transport, I know some use 3rd party but with the ones mentioned it's not all 3rd party.
The vast majority of stores will not be allowed to turn a delivery away, no matter what time it turns up, at least that's the case where I work.
The fella who was dismissing the idea of roll cages potentially causing a truck to turn over obviously hasn't got a clue, as you say, it doesn't take a lot of movement to cause it.
It used to be. Seems they've taken some of it in house then. Back in my day etc The vast majority of stores will not be allowed to turn a delivery away, no matter what time it turns up, at least that's the case where I work.
The fella who was dismissing the idea of roll cages potentially causing a truck to turn over obviously hasn't got a clue, as you say, it doesn't take a lot of movement to cause it.
.Sainsburys were entirely DHL at one time, I know a lot of the Tesco depots were too, and many a time we had trucks turned away for being early. However times may well have changed, I'm not as up to speed as I was on it all.
a4cabrio said:
The fella who was dismissing the idea of roll cages potentially causing a truck to turn over obviously hasn't got a clue, as you say, it doesn't take a lot of movement to cause it.
a4cabrio said:
There speaks a man/woman who doesn't have a clue what they are talking about
Sure, 20 years in the industry pulling pretty much every type of load there is of course I don't have a clue what I'm talking about when it comes to load security, stability and handling 
. Unlike you I actually do this work as the company I drive for does subbie work for one of the big supermarkets and I can tell you they are super anal about H&S and load security. You won't even be let out of the gate if the load isn't strapped and barred up to the nines. The cages/dollies can't move sideways anyway unless you physically load them like that because the rear 2 wheels are fixed and don't turn so there is no lateral movement whatsoever and no risk of the trailer overturning any more than any other load.Also, the horses
t about the booking times being the reason for driving at 40mph is exactly that - horsest. 9 times out of 10 when you get allocated your load, the delivery booking time has already elapsed or is close to and you may have a 1-2 hour drive to get to the store. When you point this out to them you just get told "we know, just get it there as soon as you can, they will still tip you" and that's how it works. The store staff don't care for the booking times and they tip you on a first come first served basis and there'll often be 2 or 3 trucks already waiting when you get to the store.You can keep dreaming up excuses and scenarios all you want to try to justify why they drive so slow everywhere but the simple fact of the matter is that there is absolutely nothing preventing them from driving at the speed limits to keep up with the flow of traffic. They drive at 40 because they are jobsworth nobs and if I could be bothered to search for it on Trucknet there is a thread from a few years ago about this exact topic and a couple of supermarket drivers responded saying that they deliberately drove at 35mph on singles as they thought it was hilarious to have a 5 mile queue of angry drivers stuck behind them unable to do anything. That's the typical mentality of a supermarket truck driver.
All that jazz said:
Sure, 20 years in the industry pulling pretty much every type of load there is of course I don't have a clue what I'm talking about when it comes to load security, stability and handling . Unlike you I actually do this work as the company I drive for does subbie work for one of the big supermarkets and I can tell you they are super anal about H&S and load security. You won't even be let out of the gate if the load isn't strapped and barred up to the nines. The cages/dollies can't move sideways anyway unless you physically load them like that because the rear 2 wheels are fixed and don't turn so there is no lateral movement whatsoever and no risk of the trailer overturning any more than any other load.
Also, the horsest about the booking times being the reason for driving at 40mph is exactly that - horsest. 9 times out of 10 when you get allocated your load, the delivery booking time has already elapsed or is close to and you may have a 1-2 hour drive to get to the store. When you point this out to them you just get told "we know, just get it there as soon as you can, they will still tip you" and that's how it works. The store staff don't care for the booking times and they tip you on a first come first served basis and there'll often be 2 or 3 trucks already waiting when you get to the store.
You can keep dreaming up excuses and scenarios all you want to try to justify why they drive so slow everywhere but the simple fact of the matter is that there is absolutely nothing preventing them from driving at the speed limits to keep up with the flow of traffic. They drive at 40 because they are jobsworth nobs and if I could be bothered to search for it on Trucknet there is a thread from a few years ago about this exact topic and a couple of supermarket drivers responded saying that they deliberately drove at 35mph on singles as they thought it was hilarious to have a 5 mile queue of angry drivers stuck behind them unable to do anything. That's the typical mentality of a supermarket truck driver.
Top rant that is but I still stand by my comment, you haven't got a clue and your rant has only made that even clearer.. Unlike you I actually do this work as the company I drive for does subbie work for one of the big supermarkets and I can tell you they are super anal about H&S and load security. You won't even be let out of the gate if the load isn't strapped and barred up to the nines. The cages/dollies can't move sideways anyway unless you physically load them like that because the rear 2 wheels are fixed and don't turn so there is no lateral movement whatsoever and no risk of the trailer overturning any more than any other load.Also, the horses
t about the booking times being the reason for driving at 40mph is exactly that - horsest. 9 times out of 10 when you get allocated your load, the delivery booking time has already elapsed or is close to and you may have a 1-2 hour drive to get to the store. When you point this out to them you just get told "we know, just get it there as soon as you can, they will still tip you" and that's how it works. The store staff don't care for the booking times and they tip you on a first come first served basis and there'll often be 2 or 3 trucks already waiting when you get to the store.You can keep dreaming up excuses and scenarios all you want to try to justify why they drive so slow everywhere but the simple fact of the matter is that there is absolutely nothing preventing them from driving at the speed limits to keep up with the flow of traffic. They drive at 40 because they are jobsworth nobs and if I could be bothered to search for it on Trucknet there is a thread from a few years ago about this exact topic and a couple of supermarket drivers responded saying that they deliberately drove at 35mph on singles as they thought it was hilarious to have a 5 mile queue of angry drivers stuck behind them unable to do anything. That's the typical mentality of a supermarket truck driver.
You subby to a supermarket during a busy period for a few weeks a year, that doesn't make you an expert as much as you seem to think it does.
All that jazz said:
They drive at 40 because they are jobsworth nobs and if I could be bothered to search for it on Trucknet there is a thread from a few years ago about this exact topic and a couple of supermarket drivers responded saying that they deliberately drove at 35mph on singles as they thought it was hilarious to have a 5 mile queue of angry drivers stuck behind them unable to do anything.
Actually, that is quite funny. I'd probably play that game too if I were a lorry driver. Especially knowing that a fair percentage of the drivers I was delaying are impatient, aggressive knobs such as your good self.
a4cabrio said:
Top rant that is but I still stand by my comment, you haven't got a clue and your rant has only made that even clearer.
You subby to a supermarket during a busy period for a few weeks a year, that doesn't make you an expert as much as you seem to think it does.
I worked for Asda at Normanton for 2 years. I did 3 years with Kwik Save at Sherburn back in the day. I've done agency work for Sainsburys at Sherburn. I currently do seasonal subbie work for Stobbies at Goole (Tesco), so you keep banging your "you don't know what you're talking about" drum as all you're achieving is making yourself look increasingly foolish along with all the other armchair experts. You subby to a supermarket during a busy period for a few weeks a year, that doesn't make you an expert as much as you seem to think it does.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
All that jazz said:
They drive at 40 because they are jobsworth nobs and if I could be bothered to search for it on Trucknet there is a thread from a few years ago about this exact topic and a couple of supermarket drivers responded saying that they deliberately drove at 35mph on singles as they thought it was hilarious to have a 5 mile queue of angry drivers stuck behind them unable to do anything.
Actually, that is quite funny. I'd probably play that game too if I were a lorry driver. Especially knowing that a fair percentage of the drivers I was delaying are impatient, aggressive knobs such as your good self.
All that jazz said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
All that jazz said:
They drive at 40 because they are jobsworth nobs and if I could be bothered to search for it on Trucknet there is a thread from a few years ago about this exact topic and a couple of supermarket drivers responded saying that they deliberately drove at 35mph on singles as they thought it was hilarious to have a 5 mile queue of angry drivers stuck behind them unable to do anything.
Actually, that is quite funny. I'd probably play that game too if I were a lorry driver. Especially knowing that a fair percentage of the drivers I was delaying are impatient, aggressive knobs such as your good self.
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