Not assisting a dying person

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4rephill said:

Riley Blue said:

I'd be doing CPR until my arms dropped off, even on my worst enemy - not that I have any.

So if someone had attacked one of your nearest and dearest, severely injuring them or even killing them, and then proceeded to have a heart attack, you'd do everything in you power to help the assailant live? - Really?

I'd guess you keep worse enemies than he does.

[Filibuster]

In Switzerland it is an offense for sure. "Failing to give assistance" you can get up to 3 years prison.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Looks like Phelan is in the clear for letting Les Dennis die.

[yellowjack]

4rephill said:

Riley Blue said:

I'd be doing CPR until my arms dropped off, even on my worst enemy - not that I have any.

So if someone had attacked one of your nearest and dearest, severely injuring them or even killing them, and then proceeded to have a heart attack, you'd do everything in you power to help the assailant live? - Really?

Much covered in the military. Law of Armed Conflict/Geneva Convention rules OBLIGE a party to a conflict to medically assist a fallen enemy combatant. You might well not like it, but that dude you just put a three round burst into? Yeah, him, the one that tried to stitch you with an RPG. Now that we've won the firefight and secured the objective, we've got to treat the fecker.

And first aid on a battlefield, and subsequently within the evacuation chain, is required to be given in strict priority of MEDICAL NEED, not "our boys first".

It doesn't always work out that way in practice, but it's taken VERY seriously, and drummed into squaddies every year, along with 'moral courage' lectures from the padre. It's a serious deal if you get caught flouting the rules too. So yes, I'd probably end up assisting. I've stopped a couple of times at incidents I've passed in the car. Usually to offer assistance, only to find the unfortunate person who's collapsed or been injured has luckily done so in front of a medical professional.

I was fortunate enough that the first responder when I was knocked off my bike was an off-shift paramedic, so everything after the actual collision went swimmingly. When I stopped to help a cyclist in a similar situation I was driving my wife to work at the local hospital. Two other cars stopped, and the unfortunate Doctor who was lying on the floor was being treated by an A&E nurse, a consultant thoracic surgeon, and an interventional radiology Sister. I felt like a bit of a spare part, given the skills on display.

[Jasandjules]

AndrewEH1 said:

I guess the real consequence would be living with your actions or inactions. IIRC France has good Samaritan laws meaning you have to do something to help but the UK doesn't have any.

Yup, this was what I understand as well.

[Davel]

To be honest, I would find it very hard not to try and help anyone in such a situation, although if that person had attacked my family then just maybe.

Living with it though afterwards would be tough.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Davel said:

To be honest, I would find it very hard not to try and help anyone in such a situation, although if that person had attacked my family then just maybe.

Living with it though afterwards would be tough.

I must be a horrible person, because I have a few people in mind I would look down and laugh at as they were gasping their last!

30+ yrs ago we had a customer (who'd been a bit stroppy in the past) who wasn't happy with the answer he got from one of the women in our office, so he punched her in the face. She went flying, me and another guy jumped up and went towards him, but he was pulled away by his son (who was about 18). Some verbals were exchanged whereby I told him if he set foot in the office again I'd rip his fking head off and piss in the hole, and he replied shouting "you and whose army" etc.

A few days later the police turned up to question us all as he had been fatally stabbed. I burst out laughing when told and the copper wasn't impressed. But I said I was glad and hoped he suffered and it wasn't too quick.

The copper told me my attitude was disgusting, but I replied telling him it wasn't a crime to be glad someone had died. He did admit that my unbridled glee at the victims demise ruled me out as a suspect! The murderer would pretend to be shocked and upset.

So there's a tip if you plan to murder someone. When you are questioned, say you're glad he's dead.

[xjay1337]

Irrespective of how much you dislike someone I think letting them die is a stty thing to do.

[Dodsy]

Riley Blue said:

I'd be doing CPR until my arms dropped off, even on my worst enemy - not that I have any.

I dont have any enemies but there is one person i am acquainted with that the world would be a better place without. I wouldnt piss on him if he was on fire. I certainly wouldnt do anything to help him if I should be lucky enough to come across him dying other than sit and watch.

[snobetter]

There was a report a couple of years ago, I thought from Greece, where the authorities prosecuted / threatened to, British tourists who filmed someone drowning when there was equipment close by to assist the drowning person, can't find it now though.
Ambulance crews have a duty of care to stop to give aid, but only when on duty, I believe.

[Sheepshanks]

Boosted LS1 said:

I don't think there's a law that says you have to help anybody.

It's an offence to refuse to assist a Police Officer.

[FGB]

snobetter said:

There was a report a couple of years ago, I thought from Greece, where the authorities prosecuted / threatened to, British tourists who filmed someone drowning when there was equipment close by to assist the drowning person, can't find it now though.
Ambulance crews have a duty of care to stop to give aid, but only when on duty, I believe.

There was a case in Scotland a few years back where a woman died as a result of having to wait for an ambulance. The one nearest wouldn't attend as the crew were on their break, the woman died while waiting for the ambulance from the next nearest town.

[snobetter]

FGB said:

snobetter said:

There was a report a couple of years ago, I thought from Greece, where the authorities prosecuted / threatened to, British tourists who filmed someone drowning when there was equipment close by to assist the drowning person, can't find it now though.
Ambulance crews have a duty of care to stop to give aid, but only when on duty, I believe.

There was a case in Scotland a few years back where a woman died as a result of having to wait for an ambulance. The one nearest wouldn't attend as the crew were on their break, the woman died while waiting for the ambulance from the next nearest town.

Or perhaps wasn't allowed to attend.

The story next week could have been "ambulance crew in fatal RTC after working 12 hours without a break".

[Pompeymedic]

FGB said:

There was a case in Scotland a few years back where a woman died as a result of having to wait for an ambulance. The one nearest wouldn't attend as the crew were on their break, the woman died while waiting for the ambulance from the next nearest town.

The ambulance crew who were on their (legally mandated) break didn't even know about the emergency. They didn't refuse to attend at all!
Please don't believe everything the media tells you

[bitchstewie]

yellowjack said:

And first aid on a battlefield, and subsequently within the evacuation chain, is required to be given in strict priority of MEDICAL NEED, not "our boys first".

That bit surprises me.

[pim]

I will try to help anybody who needs help if I can.

I have done in the past and will do in the future.People have to live with their conscious if they don't.

[p4cks]

I watched a kid come off his micro-scooter tonight and lie motionless on the pavement, as I drove past. His mate stopped and turned around so I just left him. Plus it was cold outside.

[Derek Smith]

It is an offence for a police officer to fail to act in such circumstances.

[Devil2575]

bhstewie said:

yellowjack said:

And first aid on a battlefield, and subsequently within the evacuation chain, is required to be given in strict priority of MEDICAL NEED, not "our boys first".

That bit surprises me.

I imagine that bit has Mail/Express/Sun readers frothing at the mouth with rage, even more so if the enemy soldier is not white

[mcdjl]

Dodsy said:

Riley Blue said:

I'd be doing CPR until my arms dropped off, even on my worst enemy - not that I have any.

I dont have any enemies but there is one person i am acquainted with that the world would be a better place without. I wouldnt piss on him if he was on fire. I certainly wouldnt do anything to help him if I should be lucky enough to come across him dying other than sit and watch.

Try the cpr the odds aren't that great it'll work and everyone will think better off you for trying.