Not assisting a dying person
Discussion
creampuff said:
FGB said:
Nobody knows what went on but his colleague attended and he didn't.
Its reasonable to assume the he was fully aware of the call and decided his break was more important to him than attending a call 300 meters down the road.
We must be reading a different news article then. I can see that the paramedic was at the base and some colleagues who may also have been at that base attended. Its reasonable to assume the he was fully aware of the call and decided his break was more important to him than attending a call 300 meters down the road.
I can see where it says everyone at the base knows what everyone else is doing even when they are on a break and I can't see where it says the paramedic was informed of the incident at the time.
JumboBeef said:
Also, I know that case every well. He was on an unpaid rest break and control called him when they shouldn't have. They asked him if he was on a break (they should have know anyway) and when he said yes, they finished the call without tasking him to the job.
I also happen to know that Fraserburgh is a small town in the North East of Scotland and would be surprised if the ambulance station was any bigger than a couple of rooms in a portacabin !So - to get back to the original point of this thread - If paramedics can't be forced to save a life I'm pretty sure Joe public can't be either
Edited by FGB on Monday 28th November 20:19
JumboBeef said:
Not sure why you've mentioned Fraserburgh as this incident happened at Tomintoul.
From my link "Mother-of-three Mrs Cowie collapsed in her Fraserburgh home, which is about 300 yards from the ambulance station where the paramedic was based, on 17 September and died two days later in Aberdeen Royal Infirmary"
- Christ there's another one - I'm out !!!!
Mind you Tomintoul is even smaller than Fraserburgh and much more remote!
FGB said:
JumboBeef said:
Not sure why you've mentioned Fraserburgh as this incident happened at Tomintoul.
From my link "Mother-of-three Mrs Cowie collapsed in her Fraserburgh home, which is about 300 yards from the ambulance station where the paramedic was based, on 17 September and died two days later in Aberdeen Royal Infirmary"
- Christ there's another one - I'm out !!!!
Mind you Tomintoul is even smaller than Fraserburgh and much more remote!
From your link, not quite sure what the issue was, crew were on scene withing 4 mins.
It looks like you can get jail time for doing nothing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-38757650
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-38757650
Lopey said:
It looks like you can get jail time for doing nothing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-38757650
Yes if the Police think you were responsible for pushing someone into the sea and then standing there with your hands in your pockets watching them drown.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-38757650
"Bowditch had been due to stand trial this week after denying murdering the college student, but an admission of manslaughter was accepted by Judge Carey."
PF62 said:
Lopey said:
It looks like you can get jail time for doing nothing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-38757650
Yes if the Police think you were responsible for pushing someone into the sea and then standing there with your hands in your pockets watching them drown.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-38757650
"Bowditch had been due to stand trial this week after denying murdering the college student, but an admission of manslaughter was accepted by Judge Carey."
Simon Taylor for the prosecution told the hearing: "Mr Bowditch accepts that although he cannot say exactly how Becky Morgan came to fall into the sea, once she fell in he failed to take any steps to try to assist her.
"It is the failure to take any steps to prevent Miss Morgan's death after she fell into the sea which forms the basis of his culpability for manslaughter."
There's no one I can think of whose death would actively please me.
I generally feel loss very acutely and seeing other people who have lost people does provoke a sad feeling in me, even if I don't know any of the parties involved. I can't bring myself to shrug and think 'nothing to do with me - even though it is....
Should the deceased be an IS fighter, Rolf Harris, Rose West etc - I would probably think 'well they're gone - won't be mourning that passing' and that sadness wouldn't be there at all.
But I wouldn't be actively pleased.
I generally feel loss very acutely and seeing other people who have lost people does provoke a sad feeling in me, even if I don't know any of the parties involved. I can't bring myself to shrug and think 'nothing to do with me - even though it is....
Should the deceased be an IS fighter, Rolf Harris, Rose West etc - I would probably think 'well they're gone - won't be mourning that passing' and that sadness wouldn't be there at all.
But I wouldn't be actively pleased.
Edited by Vocal Minority on Monday 30th January 12:29
Vocal Minority said:
Should the deceased be an IS fighter, Rolf Harris, Rose West etc - I would probably think 'well they're gone - won't be mourning that passing' and that sadness wouldn't be there at all.
But I wouldn't be actively pleased.
Pretty much sums up how I feel.But I wouldn't be actively pleased.
Edited by Vocal Minority on Monday 30th January 12:29
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I must be a horrible person, because I have a few people in mind I would look down and laugh at as they were gasping their last!
30+ yrs ago we had a customer (who'd been a bit stroppy in the past) who wasn't happy with the answer he got from one of the women in our office, so he punched her in the face. She went flying, me and another guy jumped up and went towards him, but he was pulled away by his son (who was about 18). Some verbals were exchanged whereby I told him if he set foot in the office again I'd rip his f
king head off and piss in the hole, and he replied shouting "you and whose army" etc.
A few days later the police turned up to question us all as he had been fatally stabbed. I burst out laughing when told and the copper wasn't impressed. But I said I was glad and hoped he suffered and it wasn't too quick.
The copper told me my attitude was disgusting, but I replied telling him it wasn't a crime to be glad someone had died. He did admit that my unbridled glee at the victims demise ruled me out as a suspect! The murderer would pretend to be shocked and upset.
So there's a tip if you plan to murder someone. When you are questioned, say you're glad he's dead.
In fairness, I would have done exactly the same in that situation. There are some vile people around that deserve everything they get. He was obviously one of those people. f30+ yrs ago we had a customer (who'd been a bit stroppy in the past) who wasn't happy with the answer he got from one of the women in our office, so he punched her in the face. She went flying, me and another guy jumped up and went towards him, but he was pulled away by his son (who was about 18). Some verbals were exchanged whereby I told him if he set foot in the office again I'd rip his f
king head off and piss in the hole, and he replied shouting "you and whose army" etc.A few days later the police turned up to question us all as he had been fatally stabbed. I burst out laughing when told and the copper wasn't impressed. But I said I was glad and hoped he suffered and it wasn't too quick.
The copper told me my attitude was disgusting, but I replied telling him it wasn't a crime to be glad someone had died. He did admit that my unbridled glee at the victims demise ruled me out as a suspect! The murderer would pretend to be shocked and upset.
So there's a tip if you plan to murder someone. When you are questioned, say you're glad he's dead.
k him. How can anyone think it's ok to punch a girl in the face and have no regret/remorse for doing such a thing? Utter scum. Call me heartless, disgusting, whatever you like. This kind of person will normally(hopefully) get what's coming to them. Like I said, f
k them. Devil2575 said:
Vocal Minority said:
Should the deceased be an IS fighter, Rolf Harris, Rose West etc - I would probably think 'well they're gone - won't be mourning that passing' and that sadness wouldn't be there at all.
But I wouldn't be actively pleased.
Pretty much sums up how I feel.But I wouldn't be actively pleased.
Edited by Vocal Minority on Monday 30th January 12:29
eybic said:
I know in France and possibly Spain, it's an offence not to help someone. I'm sure it came about when Diana died and people were standing around taking photos.
Was around long before then. I had a motorcycle accident on a Greek Island in the 80s. The couple that stopped and took us to hospital were French and told us that they would be legally obliged to stop and assist if in France. Cuts and grazes only fortunately.
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