Difficult to present the safety argument here I feel.

[cmaguire]

griffgrog said:

I feel sorry for the OP. Nottingham has so many more safety cameras than anywhere else in the UK but without demonstraly better death and serious injury statistics. It can be for no other reason than to collect cash from the poor motorist.

'Safety Cameras'? Perhaps if there are so many other reasons for their existence as some would have us believe then they might consider a different name for them. The one they are using is a pis@take and a lie on the whole.

[Who me ?]

Rovinghawk said:

The point of the thread is that the enforcement of the law doesn't appear to be based on safety as much as revenue generation/ employment justification.

What , no Pitmansboots telling us how bad we are to complain about speed enforcement.
Then again, the point is that enforcement is (IMHO) only to keep the sinking ship disguised a road safety( AKA SCP), afloat ,with all the invented "road safety courses" invented by forcibly retired Police officers ( aided and abetted, I'd suggest by ACPO). Then ,perhaps Van might be asked to declare his interests as to whether he is in line for one of these plum posts.

[vonhosen]

Nope nothing to do with Police, cameras , SCPs, enforcement, or courses resulting from them (or lining up one of these plum posts).

[rich888]

catso said:

Rovinghawk said:

It's not about money it's about SAFETY.

Well obviously because of all the councils/police forces in the UK, Notts are the most moaning, whingeing of them all with regards to their finances, or rather the lack thereof.

They can't Police the town centre because they have no money, they can't do any number of things because they have no money, yet I see scamera vans every time I travel there and their (camera) bus lane enforcement is world class.

So given their priorities when cash is so tight, they truly must be all about the safety...

You have to remember that modern day policing is prioritised in terms of what is important, and this is important because what they regard as a important may differ from what we think is important, so instead of old-school Dixon of Dock Green with PC Plod out walking on the beat looking out for criminals they have a rather different viewpoint, so top of the list for funding comes the Nottinghamshire Police headquarters which is a rather grandiose place to work and play and is located in luxurious grounds away from all the stress of driving into the city centre, though would make for a lovely hotel or private hospital should it ever be sold off when the Nottinghamshire division is disbanded.

Next down the list is of course the very cosy speed, sorry safety camera partnership between the police and the council, where money is now no object and where millions of taxpayers money has been spent on average speed cameras across the county, and lots of very new safety camera vans decked out with the newest and probably most expensive laser cameras available from the good old US of A, and employing not one operator to point the gun but also fitted out with an accomplice who presumably sits on his arse all day getting fat whilst his veins clog up, just to keep him company and make cups of teas coffee and give him the occasional sausage. Ha, just imagine how cosy they get if they are of that way inclined!

So no recession where taxpayer money is squandered on parasitic organisations that suck money out of the local economy for little or no benefit to the peasants paying their council tax. Yet the council bleat that have little or no money to repair the roads or indeed keep them properly marked. Most road markings badly worn and are shockingly poor. Now if those at the top of the chain of command actually paid themselves a little less money, and stopped diverting funds to pay for their lavish pension pots, which is a bit like the illegal financial pyramid schemes that were outlawed a few years ago, then we might actually have money to spend on projects that would actually benefit the rest of us. Wouldn't it be good if one or more of the tabloid newspapers were investigating this as we speak. I can only assume a few high ranking officials might be falling off their penthouse balconies or their yachts when the true level of fraud is uncovered.

Disclaimer: Now at this point for those more serious people reading this with no sense of humour I need to point out that the above paragraphs are a satire or parody. They are entirely fictitious.

[Fun Bus]

13m said:

It's because the cameras finish just before that point one way and it's at the bottom of a hill the other way, so it's a happy hunting ground.

The cameras you refer to are over half a mile from the point shown in the photo in your opening post.

The number of people who ignore the 40 past the hospital and accelerate away from the cameras amazes me. And, the slip road that comes on to the A52 at that point (making the third lane) is always busy and many people pay no attention to cars coming from their right as they approach the top of that lane. And, as already mentioned, there are a lot of pedestrians round there - students from the medical school and workers from the Lenton Lane industrial estate area. Oh, and there is a college on the traffic island under the flyover too.

Nearer the hospital is also a short slip road where many people lose the ability to manage their speed in order to safely join the carriageway. Made worse by people going to fast and having to brake hard.

[13m]

Fun Bus said:

13m said:

It's because the cameras finish just before that point one way and it's at the bottom of a hill the other way, so it's a happy hunting ground.

The cameras you refer to are over half a mile from the point shown in the photo in your opening post.

The number of people who ignore the 40 past the hospital and accelerate away from the cameras amazes me. And, the slip road that comes on to the A52 at that point (making the third lane) is always busy and many people pay no attention to cars coming from their right as they approach the top of that lane. And, as already mentioned, there are a lot of pedestrians round there - students from the medical school and workers from the Lenton Lane industrial estate area. Oh, and there is a college on the traffic island under the flyover too.

Nearer the hospital is also a short slip road where many people lose the ability to manage their speed in order to safely join the carriageway. Made worse by people going to fast and having to brake hard.

I've not measured it, I'll take your word for it.

But most of the pedestrian activity is not on the A52 is it? It's underneath and to the sides surely?

[Fun Bus]

Granted, yes some of it is but between the flyover and underpass by the hospital there's pavements and the wide pavement/cycle lane as can be seen in your opening post.

It's a manic area of the A52 but, at rush hour is mostly gridlock in most directions,

[longshot]

Having driven in Nottingham recently, I would say this one is the least of your problems. The ring road is peppered with cameras waiting for the unwary. I've never seen so many.

[fatjon]

There really are some self righteous pillocks on here. Jesus, if it was made illegal to breath these idiots would suffocate. Not that it would be too much of a loss.

[vonhosen]

fatjon said:

There really are some self righteous pillocks on here. Jesus, if it was made illegal to breath these idiots would suffocate. Not that it would be too much of a loss.

That's puerile isn't it.
It's not likely to be made illegal to breath & what purpose would there be in it?
Having speed limits on the other hand is fairly sensible & logical for our road infrastructure.

[fatjon]

If the cap fits..

[Digby]

funkyrobot said:

It doesn't matter to me if they say they are doing it in the name of safety. Anyone with any common sense knows it isn't always done with this in mind.

It has taken a very long time for people to start to admit this; mostly due to many in the industry not really giving a fk about trying to hide it any longer.

I agree completely with you that those still trying to suggest they only have our safety in mind are lacking common sense. Well said.

[Unbusy]

longshot said:

Having driven in Nottingham recently, I would say this one is the least of your problems. The ring road is peppered with cameras waiting for the unwary. I've never seen so many.

A few nights ago I ventured in for a social late in the evening. The A52 was closed due to road works.
The detour took me on an unfamiliar route with a section of a wide two lane road similar to a duel carriageway with almost no traffic.
Speed limits changed from 40 to 30 and caught me out.
I was surprised at the large number of cameras there.
Just hoping no brown envelopes drop on my mat.

[jith]

rich888 said:

catso said:

Rovinghawk said:

It's not about money it's about SAFETY.

Well obviously because of all the councils/police forces in the UK, Notts are the most moaning, whingeing of them all with regards to their finances, or rather the lack thereof.

They can't Police the town centre because they have no money, they can't do any number of things because they have no money, yet I see scamera vans every time I travel there and their (camera) bus lane enforcement is world class.

So given their priorities when cash is so tight, they truly must be all about the safety...

You have to remember that modern day policing is prioritised in terms of what is important, and this is important because what they regard as a important may differ from what we think is important, so instead of old-school Dixon of Dock Green with PC Plod out walking on the beat looking out for criminals they have a rather different viewpoint, so top of the list for funding comes the Nottinghamshire Police headquarters which is a rather grandiose place to work and play and is located in luxurious grounds away from all the stress of driving into the city centre, though would make for a lovely hotel or private hospital should it ever be sold off when the Nottinghamshire division is disbanded.

Next down the list is of course the very cosy speed, sorry safety camera partnership between the police and the council, where money is now no object and where millions of taxpayers money has been spent on average speed cameras across the county, and lots of very new safety camera vans decked out with the newest and probably most expensive laser cameras available from the good old US of A, and employing not one operator to point the gun but also fitted out with an accomplice who presumably sits on his arse all day getting fat whilst his veins clog up, just to keep him company and make cups of teas coffee and give him the occasional sausage. Ha, just imagine how cosy they get if they are of that way inclined!

So no recession where taxpayer money is squandered on parasitic organisations that suck money out of the local economy for little or no benefit to the peasants paying their council tax. Yet the council bleat that have little or no money to repair the roads or indeed keep them properly marked. Most road markings badly worn and are shockingly poor. Now if those at the top of the chain of command actually paid themselves a little less money, and stopped diverting funds to pay for their lavish pension pots, which is a bit like the illegal financial pyramid schemes that were outlawed a few years ago, then we might actually have money to spend on projects that would actually benefit the rest of us. Wouldn't it be good if one or more of the tabloid newspapers were investigating this as we speak. I can only assume a few high ranking officials might be falling off their penthouse balconies or their yachts when the true level of fraud is uncovered.

Disclaimer: Now at this point for those more serious people reading this with no sense of humour I need to point out that the above paragraphs are a satire or parody. They are entirely fictitious.

You can't pull the wool over my eyes: there's nothing fictitious about your post which, incidentally, is right on the button. An excellent resume of the current sad state of affairs.

J

[funkyrobot]

Digby said:

funkyrobot said:

It doesn't matter to me if they say they are doing it in the name of safety. Anyone with any common sense knows it isn't always done with this in mind.

It has taken a very long time for people to start to admit this; mostly due to many in the industry not really giving a fk about trying to hide it any longer.

I agree completely with you that those still trying to suggest they only have our safety in mind are lacking common sense. Well said.

I doubt it will ever be properly admitted. Cameras are used as a tool to give the illusion of safety. They are good at keeping the people who moan about speeding, and don't know better, happy. They are also very good at generating revenue from people who can't drive to the limit. Bit of a fool tax really.

I still can't understand why people complain when they get caught. No matter how much some on here moan that they aren't about safety, speed limits in some areas are stupid, speed limits are just an arbitrary number, the road is safe at a higher limit, etc., nothing will change as long as so many people are being caught.

The only thing you can really do is drive to the limit when safe to do so. Then, if you still feel passionate about the limit being wrong, start a dialogue with your local councillor and see if that gets you anywhere.

In a way, I'm glad we have speed limits. There are so many morons behind the wheel now that if everything was left unregulated, it would turn to carnage.

[Corpulent Tosser]

fatjon said:

There really are some self righteous pillocks on here. Jesus, if it was made illegal to breath these idiots would suffocate. Not that it would be too much of a loss.

Not sure where you are coming from on this.
Are you suggesting there should not be speed limits, or that they should not be enforced, or maybe that cameras should not be used to enforce, or at least penalise transgressors of the speed limits?

[Devil2575]

Pete317 said:

funkyrobot said:

Does it really matter where a camera van is?

If you speed, you are taking the risk of getting caught. Regardless of what anyone says about safety, accidents, conditions etc., there is a maximum speed you are permitted to achieve on that road.

If people speed, fine. However, don't moan when enforcement takes place.

It seems it's impossible to discuss anything around here without someone coming along and regurgitating the same obvious st that we've heard a million times

Irony.

[catso]

jith said:

rich888 said:

catso said:

Rovinghawk said:

It's not about money it's about SAFETY.

Well obviously because of all the councils/police forces in the UK, Notts are the most moaning, whingeing of them all with regards to their finances, or rather the lack thereof.

They can't Police the town centre because they have no money, they can't do any number of things because they have no money, yet I see scamera vans every time I travel there and their (camera) bus lane enforcement is world class.

So given their priorities when cash is so tight, they truly must be all about the safety...

You have to remember that modern day policing is prioritised in terms of what is important, and this is important because what they regard as a important may differ from what we think is important, so instead of old-school Dixon of Dock Green with PC Plod out walking on the beat looking out for criminals they have a rather different viewpoint, so top of the list for funding comes the Nottinghamshire Police headquarters which is a rather grandiose place to work and play and is located in luxurious grounds away from all the stress of driving into the city centre, though would make for a lovely hotel or private hospital should it ever be sold off when the Nottinghamshire division is disbanded.

Next down the list is of course the very cosy speed, sorry safety camera partnership between the police and the council, where money is now no object and where millions of taxpayers money has been spent on average speed cameras across the county, and lots of very new safety camera vans decked out with the newest and probably most expensive laser cameras available from the good old US of A, and employing not one operator to point the gun but also fitted out with an accomplice who presumably sits on his arse all day getting fat whilst his veins clog up, just to keep him company and make cups of teas coffee and give him the occasional sausage. Ha, just imagine how cosy they get if they are of that way inclined!

So no recession where taxpayer money is squandered on parasitic organisations that suck money out of the local economy for little or no benefit to the peasants paying their council tax. Yet the council bleat that have little or no money to repair the roads or indeed keep them properly marked. Most road markings badly worn and are shockingly poor. Now if those at the top of the chain of command actually paid themselves a little less money, and stopped diverting funds to pay for their lavish pension pots, which is a bit like the illegal financial pyramid schemes that were outlawed a few years ago, then we might actually have money to spend on projects that would actually benefit the rest of us. Wouldn't it be good if one or more of the tabloid newspapers were investigating this as we speak. I can only assume a few high ranking officials might be falling off their penthouse balconies or their yachts when the true level of fraud is uncovered.

Disclaimer: Now at this point for those more serious people reading this with no sense of humour I need to point out that the above paragraphs are a satire or parody. They are entirely fictitious.

You can't pull the wool over my eyes: there's nothing fictitious about your post which, incidentally, is right on the button. An excellent resume of the current sad state of affairs.

J

Yep, sounds about right to me.

[cmaguire]

Corpulent Tosser said:

Not sure where you are coming from on this.
Are you suggesting there should not be speed limits, or that they should not be enforced, or maybe that cameras should not be used to enforce, or at least penalise transgressors of the speed limits?

I would go with 30 in urban areas and no limits anywhere else if I got to choose.
But as I don't, with the current scenario getting rid of all the cameras would do.
Can't have that either?
In that case how about they ease off where it really doesn't matter much (on the Motorways and Dual Carriageways where it's just a numbers game) and find something more useful to do instead.

[Digby]

funkyrobot said:

They are also very good at generating revenue from people who can't drive to the limit. Bit of a fool tax really.

Humans, you mean? The ones no longer allowed to make even the smallest error without getting bent over.

That's often why people complain. Speed cameras, box junction cameras.... cameras, cameras, cameras.

There was a time you could be human. There was a time not noticing you were slightly over a limit, or had a dust cap inside a box juntion etc made no difference. Why should it?

As soon as profit took over, you can now be fined for being a better driver than the slower idiot behind you.

It only ever used to be about catching the serious piss takers. Not any longer.

Call that a fool tax if you like. To me, the only fools are the ones who defend a system sold as being in place to save our lives etc when the reality is, in many cases, they couldn't give a fk.

I would rather we had a road safety scheme based around safety and cameras installed as intended rather than some bellend rubbing his hands together hiding behind a bush, 50 yards past a static camera where the limit changes with the "crime" being reaching that limit 20 yards too early.