MP: multiple offenders should be banned from powerful cars

[AMG Merc]

http://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/mp-m...

And, what about from buying and/or driving powerful cars (too difficult to implement I expect)?

[rampageturke]

Unenforceable and stupid, you can get a lot out of 2 litres these days

but to go along with their dumb rhetoric: yes, speed kills!! !

[Jasandjules]

I could drive a 1l Micra at 80mph past a school if I wanted. The power of the car is not relevant to the intent of the driver to do dangerous things.

[Dave Hedgehog]

they will be able to put the snoopers charter to good use by scanning for people with points on their licenses searching for powerful hire cars

[funkyrobot]

Another fine example of the level of intellect present in our MP's.

[jith]

It's not just rented cars. I think it totally unacceptable that we permit in law an eighteen year old new driver with utterly no experience and no motorway training to drive any sort of car he/she pleases. The only limit on this being affordability. The government could sort this with one piece of legislation, but they clearly can't be arsed.

J

[Dave Hedgehog]

jith said:

It's not just rented cars. I think it totally unacceptable that we permit in law an eighteen year old new driver with utterly no experience and no motorway training to drive any sort of car he/she pleases. The only limit on this being affordability. The government could sort this with one piece of legislation, but they clearly can't be arsed.

J

don't worry GPS based enforced speed limits are on the way along with GPS based road pricing, shortly followed by mandatory autonomous cars

[otolith]

jith said:

It's not just rented cars. I think it totally unacceptable that we permit in law an eighteen year old new driver with utterly no experience and no motorway training to drive any sort of car he/she pleases. The only limit on this being affordability. The government could sort this with one piece of legislation, but they clearly can't be arsed.

Most new drivers can't afford to insure anything quick, and still have a high accident rate. I would suggest that the problem is not the cars but the drivers.

[cmaguire]

Dave Hedgehog said:

don't worry GPS based enforced speed limits are on the way along with GPS based road pricing, shortly followed by mandatory autonomous cars

And then the threats of perverting the course of justice levelled at those not towing the line by bypassing/defeating the 'black boxes'.

[cmaguire]

I really think, much like what has happened with Brexit and Trump with the rise of the right, those pushing forward with all this autonomous vehicle crap are seriously overestimating public support.
They'll end up forcing it upon us over time via legislation no doubt. Here's to hoping for a backlash.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

otolith said:

Most new drivers can't afford to insure anything quick, and still have a high accident rate. I would suggest that the problem is not the cars but the drivers.

Most young drivers have accidents, but give them access to powerful cars, and those accidents will be bigger and more frequent.

[tigger1]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

otolith said:

Most new drivers can't afford to insure anything quick, and still have a high accident rate. I would suggest that the problem is not the cars but the drivers.

Most young drivers have accidents, but give them access to powerful cars, and those accidents will be bigger and more frequent.

I think you'll find that if you give all young drivers access to more powerful cars that a lot of them will have bigger accidents, but only once or twice...

[TwigtheWonderkid]

tigger1 said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

otolith said:

Most new drivers can't afford to insure anything quick, and still have a high accident rate. I would suggest that the problem is not the cars but the drivers.

Most young drivers have accidents, but give them access to powerful cars, and those accidents will be bigger and more frequent.

I think you'll find that if you give all young drivers access to more powerful cars that a lot of them will have bigger accidents, but only once or twice...

Whatever the outcome, it's not a good idea putting young drivers in high performance cars. That's why the insurance costs you young drivers in fast cars is even more expensive that it is for young drivers in boring cars.

[spookly]

funkyrobot said:

Another fine example of the level of intellect present in our MP's.

Sadly that ^^

It takes a special sort of problem solver to misunderstand the problem and then come up with a solution that doesn't even address the misunderstood problem. And then to have time to think about it and still raise it as a suggestion.

Better the keep quiet and let people think you're a moron, than speak up and prove them right.

[otolith]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

otolith said:

Most new drivers can't afford to insure anything quick, and still have a high accident rate. I would suggest that the problem is not the cars but the drivers.

Most young drivers have accidents, but give them access to powerful cars, and those accidents will be bigger and more frequent.

I'm not really convinced of that. All cars on the market today are powerful enough to have a nasty accident and I don't particularly see evidence that the increasing performance of ordinary cars has led to an increase in young driver accident rates. I suspect that the main reason young drivers in fast cars are high risk is that the kind of drivers who aspire to fast cars are high risk.

[james_gt3rs]

Jasandjules said:

I could drive a 1l Micra at 80mph past a school if I wanted.

Would need quite a run up for the schools near me

[anonymous-user]

Anything more then a 2L?

So you could still get hire a s3 with 300bhp?

[jith]

otolith said:

jith said:

It's not just rented cars. I think it totally unacceptable that we permit in law an eighteen year old new driver with utterly no experience and no motorway training to drive any sort of car he/she pleases. The only limit on this being affordability. The government could sort this with one piece of legislation, but they clearly can't be arsed.

Most new drivers can't afford to insure anything quick, and still have a high accident rate. I would suggest that the problem is not the cars but the drivers.

I did say the limit was affordability. I have had personal experience of a wealthy friend who almost lost his daughter by being foolish enough to buy her a new BMW for her eighteenth. She was in a coma for 3 weeks.

This is not about speeding; it's about the total lack of proper driver training and the failure to recognise how important accrued experience is.

J

[SpamCan]

Learn2MergeInTurn said:

Anything more then a 2L?

So you could still get hire a s3 with 300bhp?

You could also modify produce even more power.

[otolith]

But you don't need any special training or experience. You just need not to drive like a prick. Modern high performance cars, certainly hot versions of ordinary mainstream cars, are no harder to drive safely than anything else. I don't think that generally a sensible young person put in a high performance car will suddenly become a higher risk - I do think that the young person who thinks he should have a high performance car is probably a higher risk to begin with, and remains that even if the insurance costs limit him to a Micra.