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Where will it all end: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38156778
I fear the end of the petrolhead is nigh
I fear the end of the petrolhead is nigh
yep - this is yet another load of b
ks although I agree with the speedbump removal reported on other sites!
The borough local to me seems to have taken it upon itself to make every road a 20mph limit, even a local dual carriageway....
All it means is those sticking to it are treated like milk floats by all other drivers which actually increasing danger as they overtake, often not in the best of places!
In addition most cars are far less economical at 20mph - I'll be stuck in 2nd gear!
ks although I agree with the speedbump removal reported on other sites!The borough local to me seems to have taken it upon itself to make every road a 20mph limit, even a local dual carriageway....
All it means is those sticking to it are treated like milk floats by all other drivers which actually increasing danger as they overtake, often not in the best of places!
In addition most cars are far less economical at 20mph - I'll be stuck in 2nd gear!
- Training drivers to be more fuel efficient by driving more smoothly
How are they planning to achieve this one?
Same with every other driver improvement initiative? Focus only on the lonely people who'll go out of thier way to talk to someone at a stand giving away free key rings and those who broke the law and are willing to be talked at for several hours in a holiday inn meeting room to avoid getting points. And completely ignore the other 90+% of drivers.
How are they planning to achieve this one?
Same with every other driver improvement initiative? Focus only on the lonely people who'll go out of thier way to talk to someone at a stand giving away free key rings and those who broke the law and are willing to be talked at for several hours in a holiday inn meeting room to avoid getting points. And completely ignore the other 90+% of drivers.
Well, what a surprise. 
What do these idiots expect when public transport is expensive and unfit for purpose (if people even have access to it), cars are now easier than ever to own (finance, something the government seems to enjoy) and there are less incentives to keep one beyond 'x' years, jobs are more spread out, the standards of driving make some people less inclined to cycle, and people, in general, are getting more and more lazy.
At the moment, I'm walking to work. To some, this is an utterly bizarre concept. For instance, a chap who lives two doors down from me and works in the building next to mine, gets in his car and drives to work every day. Odd.
As someone who walks to work, I've even been asked how I cope in the winter and when it rains? Really?
What do these idiots expect when public transport is expensive and unfit for purpose (if people even have access to it), cars are now easier than ever to own (finance, something the government seems to enjoy) and there are less incentives to keep one beyond 'x' years, jobs are more spread out, the standards of driving make some people less inclined to cycle, and people, in general, are getting more and more lazy.
At the moment, I'm walking to work. To some, this is an utterly bizarre concept. For instance, a chap who lives two doors down from me and works in the building next to mine, gets in his car and drives to work every day. Odd.
As someone who walks to work, I've even been asked how I cope in the winter and when it rains? Really?
kiethton said:
Guybrush said:
Councils need to be persuaded not to put in place things which create congestion.
ThisTraffic light phasing needs to be looked at then bus lanes, those traffic calming chicanes etc.....all of it needs to go!
When I was a kid I was able to walk to all the schools I went to. Since then loads have been closed and the remaining few have been extended to cope with much wider catchment areas, so kids now need to be transported instead of being able to walk ... Then there's speed humps, pinch points, chicanes, bus lanes, roads shut off at one end and the council rubbing their hands gleefully at the prospect of all the extra tax they'll rake in when the housing developments they're signing off have been built ... Then moaning about nasty motorists and all the air pollution they're causing.
"More 20mph speed limits in congested residential areas"
Surely if it's congested, then nobody will be able to do more than 20 anyway. If it's quiet, then doing 30 would be more efficient.
I've just moved house to an area which is a blanket 20. I don't want to know how much they spend on all the road furniture and markings because I'm yet to see a single person do less than 30.
Outside schools and hospitals is one thing, but a blanket twenty across a whole town is just daft.
Surely if it's congested, then nobody will be able to do more than 20 anyway. If it's quiet, then doing 30 would be more efficient.
I've just moved house to an area which is a blanket 20. I don't want to know how much they spend on all the road furniture and markings because I'm yet to see a single person do less than 30.
Outside schools and hospitals is one thing, but a blanket twenty across a whole town is just daft.
Toonshorty said:
Surely if it's congested, then nobody will be able to do more than 20 anyway. If it's quiet, then doing 30 would be more efficient.
I've just moved house to an area which is a blanket 20. I don't want to know how much they spend on all the road furniture and markings because I'm yet to see a single person do less than 30.
Outside schools and hospitals is one thing, but a blanket twenty across a whole town is just daft.
Safe, walled, urban DC - 20mph....I've just moved house to an area which is a blanket 20. I don't want to know how much they spend on all the road furniture and markings because I'm yet to see a single person do less than 30.
Outside schools and hospitals is one thing, but a blanket twenty across a whole town is just daft.
funkyrobot said:
ensignia said:
funkyrobot said:
and people, in general, are getting more and more lazy.
Got any evidence other than your anecdotal stuff to back this up?But just as I thought, uisng your own anecdotal evidence to make a sweeping generalisation.
ensignia said:
funkyrobot said:
ensignia said:
funkyrobot said:
and people, in general, are getting more and more lazy.
Got any evidence other than your anecdotal stuff to back this up?But just as I thought, uisng your own anecdotal evidence to make a sweeping generalisation.
ensignia said:
Very droll.
But just as I thought, uisng your own anecdotal evidence to make a sweeping generalisation.
I too believe people are becoming more lazy. Petty crime rates are falling, apparently as a result of young persons living on the sofa with Facebook/Xbox. Obesity & diabetes are at record levels, & there are many more cars around.But just as I thought, uisng your own anecdotal evidence to make a sweeping generalisation.
Would be interesting to see true statistics, if anybody can be arsed...
The entire transport policy needs a top down sea change and needs to be headed up by people with a full brain rather than a bunch of egotistical wkers hellbent on ramming home their own narrow minded personal crusade of a message.
The road system in the UK is fundamentally broken and someone needs to do a proper study to work out what all the numerous jams on the motorways and major roads cost the economy each year and how much environmental damage is being done. It will be billions, but of course as long as any short term government don't have to admit to how much it actually costs they don't have to try and fix it.
Fixing it requires a wide range of thinking and a re-education of the population.
More efficient non fossil fuel vehicles is obviously the way forward for the environment as much as we petrolheads may not like it and incentivising people properly to buy them and companies to develop them would be a good thing.
Obviously road upgrade and new road schemes will help too, but by far the biggest change required is to stop the need to move people around as much. There are a multitude of ways of doing this... incentivise people to live near where they work, incentivise people to work form home, provide hot desking offices so people can work local to where they are, slew work start and end times, slew school start and end times, decentralise from the major urban areas, improve public transport and make it work properly and so on.
All this would cost a fortune, but I wager way less than is being lost every year because of people sat in jams and unnecessarily moving around.
However instead all they can come up with is 50mph limits and more schemes to make people's journey times take even longer.
Pathetic!
kers hellbent on ramming home their own narrow minded personal crusade of a message.The road system in the UK is fundamentally broken and someone needs to do a proper study to work out what all the numerous jams on the motorways and major roads cost the economy each year and how much environmental damage is being done. It will be billions, but of course as long as any short term government don't have to admit to how much it actually costs they don't have to try and fix it.
Fixing it requires a wide range of thinking and a re-education of the population.
More efficient non fossil fuel vehicles is obviously the way forward for the environment as much as we petrolheads may not like it and incentivising people properly to buy them and companies to develop them would be a good thing.
Obviously road upgrade and new road schemes will help too, but by far the biggest change required is to stop the need to move people around as much. There are a multitude of ways of doing this... incentivise people to live near where they work, incentivise people to work form home, provide hot desking offices so people can work local to where they are, slew work start and end times, slew school start and end times, decentralise from the major urban areas, improve public transport and make it work properly and so on.
All this would cost a fortune, but I wager way less than is being lost every year because of people sat in jams and unnecessarily moving around.
However instead all they can come up with is 50mph limits and more schemes to make people's journey times take even longer.
Pathetic!
Biker 1 said:
Where will it all end: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38156778
I fear the end of the petrolhead is nigh
Car traffic is up 0.5% since 2007 so maybe not quite yet the apocalypse. Bear in mind the population increase over the same period - use of cars has decreased significantly per head of population.I fear the end of the petrolhead is nigh
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